So, can we finally all admit Bush & Co. lied?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Where's the "Hell, yeah, but let's get those bastards anyway, Hoo-ahh! option?

[Boris Godunov]

Consider that incorporated with the "Yes" answer.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Boris: He exaggerated the truth .

I mean, obviously Saddam had SOMETHING. I mean, there was no reason for him to deny UN inspector teams access to his palaces if he was all clean.

Doesn't really matter though because Ollie North did worse and he's a hero to millions .

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I mean, obviously Saddam had SOMETHING. I mean, there was no reason for him to deny UN inspector teams access to his palaces if he was all clean.

My guess is that it was an ego thing. Sort of like when conservatives around here carp about national soveriegnty and the like. Irrational? Sure. But people do lots of irrational things when status is at stake - it's evolutionary.

Doesn't really matter though because Ollie North did worse and he's a hero to millions .

I don't get the Ollie thing. I guess most conservatives don't mind liars as long as the liar is conservative. Did Iraq have WMDs? Depends on what 'did' means ...

[Giancarlo]

Templar, actually most liars I notice in politics, happen to be on the left.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Fez
Templar, actually most liars I notice in politics, happen to be on the left.

That's because you believe anything said by the right. If a right-winger told you the moon was made of green cheese you'd be telling us how the moon was made of green cheese.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't get the Ollie thing.

The Ollie 'thing' basically comes down to the fact that a bunch of people liked the idea of a guy coming down to Congress and basically telling them to '**** Off'. People would like to do that themselves . That and the fact that a lot of people thought what North was doing was GOOD for the country and Congress was trying to stop what was 'good'.... but mostly it was because he told Congress off.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I mean, obviously Saddam had SOMETHING. I mean, there was no reason for him to deny UN inspector teams access to his palaces if he was all clean.

If you're paranoid about being assassinated, there is a damned good reason to keep US spies, I mean, UN inspectors out of the palaces. We know the US had spies among the inspectors, we know the US had mentioned that it was considering the assassination of Hussein, and we known that Hussein was ultra-paranoid about assassination anyway. Afterall, he did participate in the assassination a previous Iraqi dicator.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So what? Have the inspectors monitored at all times. That could suffice for paranoia.

[Giancarlo]

I love plagarizing people's words on these forums..

That's because you believe anything said by the left. If a left-winger told you the moon was made of green cheese you'd be telling us how the moon was made of green cheese.

Don't you just hate me?

[The Templar]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


That's because you believe anything said by the right. If a right-winger told you the moon was made of green cheese you'd be telling us how the moon was made of green cheese.

Don't bother with the little troll. He's just fresh out of high school, and doesn't know **** anyway.

As for paranoia, again, I think the admissions thing came down to ego. Just like Bush and the French - Bush has too much ego to let bygones be by bygones (especially when Bush was wrong).

Saddam also might have thought verifying the lack of WMDs would invite a war all that much quicker. I.e. no weapons no worries of thousands of American troops dying in horrible ways from chem/bio weapons on al Jazeera.

And the infiltration by US spies of the original inspectors probably didn't help matters either.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by The Templar


Don't bother with the little troll. He's just fresh out of high school, and doesn't know **** anyway.

Oh so age is an issue?

And what about you.. you are nothing but a little communist with a big mouth, and a dumb avatar.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Boris: He exaggerated the truth .

Tell me what that would be :

Bush enters the press room and starts his speech.
"Dear Citizens of America,
I have grave news for our nation. Our intelligence has sound proof that France has nuclear weapons of mass destruction and a developed chemical program. With these weapons, they can destroy our country, our way of life, and slaughter our children. It is only a matter of time before Paris, capitol of evil, decides to use this arsenal to KILL US ALL !

My dear fellow Americans, in front of this hideous menace, I have decided to launch a preventive attack on France. War has just begun, and Paris is at last harmless now".

Just an exaggeration of reality. After all, France has nukes it is true. I guess it is possible to invent any lies based on this tiny truth ?

[Shi Huangdi]

Again, this is only one guy. I would expect if something along the lines of deliberate deception to start a war was going on, there would have been alot more complaints. The State Department is a notoriously liberal organization and if a Republican administration was doing this, there would have alot more people willing to speak out IMO. The CIA is defending it's pre-war performance, and all we have is this one guy making some allegations. Lets wait for some more backup from this man before assuming our entire government was decieving us.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Tell me what that would be:

Did you ever see Death Race 2000?

"The Evil French have attacked our great race!"