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Yes, it was a serious response that the only possible way to respond was to let OBL continue to sit pretty. "
Which was a response your seemed to that everything that happens we don't like is someone raising the middle finger against it. Nice job of name calling though, you have certainly impressed us all.
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There are different levels of opposition in the Islamic world. "No, I don't like the pork-eating infidels" isn't quite the same as strapping on a dynamite belt and screaming "Allahu Akhbar!""
No, I don't like the pork-eating infiedels was the Islamic attitude before we decided to attack Afghanistan. Al Jazeera had done a poll before then on who was the Arabs #1 enemy and the vast majority said the US. Keep in mind, MtG, the Koran does say if your fellow Islamic country is under attack you are supposed to go help it.
"Messy trying to resist them? "
You bet. The NA were hardened fighters who had already fought a sucsessful guerilla war against a superpower, and had risen in stength since the Taliban's fall. If we decided to bust the NA we would have had the whole country up against us. If you are worried about the occupation of Iraq, you can only imagine what'd be like trying to manage an occupation of all Afghanistan on our own. And oh ya, I'm sure that would really make the Islamic world love us.
"They ran for office on a "**** Uncle Sam" platform, and were elected on that platform. NWFP has been full of fundamentalists as long as there have been modern fundies. Al Maududi, who along with al Qutb is the inspirational source for modern fundamentalism, was from that area. Despite that, in four decades, popular support for fundamentalists has risen since the US got in bed with Musharraf. That wasn't the aim."
I've already pointed this out, Mike. Fundamentalists getting elected = does have some direct causation in US policy. However, the obvious cause of fundamentalist lawes being enacted, which as what your article is about, is that the fundamentalists are already there, not, oh lets not allow pictures of females on billboards to show disapproval of the US. Hence the inanity of your troll. It's a shame, this article could have made for an interesting thread if you hadn't felt obligated to go all paitkis on us and made it the way you did.
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Read carefully Sava, even a liberal should be able to follow a few paragraphs without the aid of the latest electronic marvel.
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No, I don't like the pork-eating infiedels was the Islamic attitude before we decided to attack Afghanistan. Al Jazeera had done a poll before then on who was the Arabs #1 enemy and the vast majority said the US.
1. Does that surprise you? If so, why?
2. How come out of the maybe a couple hundred million (or tens of million for the arab part of the Ummah) who "don't like the pork-eating infiedels", only a few thousand join islamist terrorism?
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There are different levels of opposition in the Islamic world. "No, I don't like the pork-eating infidels" isn't quite the same as strapping on a dynamite belt and screaming "Allahu Akhbar!""
No, I don't like the pork-eating infiedels was the Islamic attitude before we decided to attack Afghanistan. Al Jazeera had done a poll before then on who was the Arabs #1 enemy and the vast majority said the US. Keep in mind, MtG, the Koran does say if your fellow Islamic country is under attack you are supposed to go help it.
However (look at Israel), most people find ways not to incovenience themselves, and the same with Islamic countries.
"Messy trying to resist them? "
You bet. The NA were hardened fighters who had already fought a sucsessful guerilla war against a superpower, and had risen in stength since the Taliban's fall. If we decided to bust the NA we would have had the whole country up against us. If you are worried about the occupation of Iraq, you can only imagine what'd be like trying to manage an occupation of all Afghanistan on our own. And oh ya, I'm sure that would really make the Islamic world love us.
The NA were a small minority of the Mujaheddin, and the "successful war" they fought was simply to be a persistent pain in the ass against a half-assed commitment of Soviet forces that was poorly motivated and which poorly executed virtually everything they did. The US (correctly, and remember the whiners here?) rejected the idea that the Soviet experience in Afghanistan would be comparable to a US war in Afghanistan. The NA would have been extinct before we ever dealt with them if they hadn't been propped up by India. They'd be a joke against US forces, especially if they were also outside the "official" Afghan government.
We wouldn't have to manage an Afghan occupation all on our own if we hadn't overrelied on mistrusted and feared ethnic minorities and if we had provided an adequate pace of training and level of support (including pay) for a national Afghan Army. Most of the ones that have been trained have been reported to have deserted, for lack of pay.
I've already pointed this out, Mike. Fundamentalists getting elected = does have some direct causation in US policy. However, the obvious cause of fundamentalist lawes being enacted, which as what your article is about, is that the fundamentalists are already there, not, oh lets not allow pictures of females on billboards to show disapproval of the US.
Who said it was about showing disapproval? That was just one example of the silly Talebanesque crap they're doing, but the interesting point is that this is in pretty much open defiance of the national government. Remember the bit about 24 mayors resigning in protest?
We're not going to get much intel help from the Pakistanis if they can't operate in a good portion of their own country, or if they're so busy breaking heads and looking at domestic dissent and internal security issues.
Hence the inanity of your troll. It's a shame, this article could have made for an interesting thread if you hadn't felt obligated to go all paitkis on us and made it the way you did.
It's only a troll because you want to see it as one. Sorry I can't spin it into an example of US success.
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The more upset you get, the worse your arguments become, MtG.
Kudos to Shi for not responding to the direct insults.
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There is US success in Afhanistan,
The critics right away were saying no way can the USA ever win the war there, they will run into the same problem as Russia, the hell we did.
I don't think we went far enough again, we should have wiped out all warlords, maxium effort. Why do liberals think that Afghanistan should be a model nation in so short of time. It is a landlocked nation with little true resources but given enough time and legitimate effort it will turn around, but my God it takes years.
Same with Iraq, all the liberals were whining how long and loss of life we will have in Iraq and it ended in 30 days, given that some loss of life is still happening. It is like the Liberals are running out of crap to blame on this administration so they are cooking up unreal goals. It all takes time, this isn't a diplomacy game.
If we were really going to make this a war on Islam we would have started at home, there is only about 1million of them living in the United States.
Lets always remember the passangers on United Flight 93, true heroes in every sense of the word!
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Originally posted by Defiant
There is US success in Afhanistan,
The critics right away were saying no way can the USA ever win the war there, they will run into the same problem as Russia, the hell we did.
I don't think we went far enough again, we should have wiped out all warlords, maxium effort. Why do liberals think that Afghanistan should be a model nation in so short of time. It is a landlocked nation with little true resources but given enough time and legitimate effort it will turn around, but my God it takes years.
I suppose all the bad guys will be nice enough to sit around and wait, then.
Same with Iraq, all the liberals were whining how long and loss of life we will have in Iraq and it ended in 30 days, given that some loss of life is still happening. It is like the Liberals are running out of crap to blame on this administration so they are cooking up unreal goals.
The stated goals were cooked up by the administration. I don't know who "the liberals" are, other than this mythical demon some people like to cite, but I'm not sure they, or anyone else, has cooked up any goals.
It all takes time, this isn't a diplomacy game.
It doesn't matter whether it takes time, if your enemies aren't inclined to give you that time.
You're right, it isn't a game. There are no rules, only results, and your enemies don't wait their turn, they move on their schedule, not yours, unless you succeed in preventing them from moving.
If we were really going to make this a war on Islam we would have started at home, there is only about 1million of them living in the United States.
It doesn't matter whether you think it is. It matters whether they can propagandize successfully that it is.
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mtg,
When I was saying liberals, I was sarcastically referring to you. . Look at the old West, we took over Indian nation by Indian nation and they fought until there was nothing left to fight for. They ran up and down the frontier taking their potshots at the settlers and army(sound familiar in Iraq right now), but in the end the battle was about attrition and these wars have certain similarities to the old West Indian wars. Rough country rough people trying to be settled down and not so fanatical.
Lets always remember the passangers on United Flight 93, true heroes in every sense of the word!
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Hey MTG are you just sore because Rumsfeld conducted 2 successful wars in a row?
Troop strength in Iraq was too low huh? Not enough heavy armor?
Oh wait, by the time the 4th ID got there the party was already over.
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The homies in this ghetto are spending a lot more time listening to "**** Tha Police" lately.
According to my source, it's actually "Cop Killer."
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We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
Originally posted by Defiant
mtg,
When I was saying liberals, I was sarcastically referring to you. . Look at the old West, we took over Indian nation by Indian nation and they fought until there was nothing left to fight for. They ran up and down the frontier taking their potshots at the settlers and army(sound familiar in Iraq right now), but in the end the battle was about attrition and these wars have certain similarities to the old West Indian wars. Rough country rough people trying to be settled down and not so fanatical.
(a) Back before the Afghan war started, I pointed out that US troops would have no problem operating at altitude or in the Afghan winter conditions, as GP and a couple of others remember. So much for my liberal peacenik creds.
(b) How many of the Indians in the Old West learned how to fly airliners?
(c) There's about a billion and a quarter Moslems in the world, and they're the fastest growing population group. Attrition ain't really a good model.
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That is the pablum that flows out of the White House so that we can say our ass-thumpings really aren't a war on Islam.
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