Hitler and Bush...

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Fez


Very few for that matter whereas communism has many. Communism itself is based on contradictions.

Perhaps Marxist communism, but true communism is really quite simple, "love your neighbor as yourself" as one great socialist revolutionary once said.

It has brought tons of progress.. and this undeniable. What is it your typing on there? A keyboard? Where is that connected to? A computer? What invented these things? Capitalism.

Sorry to nitpick, but actually people invented these things, not capitalism. Yes, many of these inventions were created by people in a capitalist society, but don't worry capitalism is not a prequisite for advancing technology by any means.

There can't be a higher standard of living for all. There always has to be somebody above you and somebody below you. It is called competition. If you don't have this, you don't have a system.

Ah, you assume too much my friend. There doesn't have to be "someone above and below" as you say. Perhaps you disagree, but don't worry. So can I assume that you would support such a society if it were possible? Certainly you wouldn't drive a tank in the middle of the street as you said earlier against a system that makes your life profoundly better.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That's because you are right .

Damn, I hate being right.

monkspider:

Ah, you assume too much my friend. There doesn't have to be "someone above and below"

No two humans are equal in ability, intelligence, pysical prowess, creativity, etcetera. There is already above and below, that is as natural as humanity. In fact, I would say that it is humanity. A society of humans should respect and be based on the fact that humans are innately different, and that there will always be some above and some below.

[Imran Siddiqui]

but actually people invented these things, not capitalism.

Without capitalism these things most likely would not be invented. The rate of technological progress, which is required under capitalism is what has allowed us to have this high standard of living. The people were following capitalism. It would not have happened if there was no self-interest involved.

Capitalism is definetly a pre-requisite for the boom in technology which has led to all the inventions that you say were made by people. Without it, I doubt it'd even exist. Hell, I doubt most of the things we've invented in the last 100 years would exist right now.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by monkspider

Perhaps Marxist communism, but true communism is really quite simple, "love your neighbor as yourself" as one great socialist revolutionary once said.

I am atheist. I am also a right wing radical. I am a capitalist. And I will die for my beliefs.

Sorry to nitpick, but actually people invented these things, not capitalism.

Capitalism inspired these people to do so. Inventions they thought can bring them gain and profit. But they also do it for the betterment of mankind. One of the founding principles of capitalism is the betterment of mankind.

Yes, many of these inventions were created by people in a capitalist society, but don't worry capitalism is not a prequisite for advancing technology by any means.

Yes it is. It totally is that. Capitalism has spurred these people to pick up their hands and make something because they know they can only win by doing so.

Ah, you assume too much my friend. There doesn't have to be "someone above and below" as you say. Perhaps you disagree, but don't worry. So can I assume that you would support such a society if it were possible?

Yes there has to be. That is what competition is about.

Certainly you wouldn't drive a tank in the middle of the street as you said earlier against a system that makes your life profoundly better.

A system that makes my life profoundly better is capitalism. I would embrace the system.

The only system I will ride a tank against is communism. It will only imprision my future and the future of countless millions. It must be struck off.

[ThePlagueRat]

So you are calling Jesus a socialist?
What do you base that on, being able to feed 1000 people with a bread and a few fishes?

[monkspider]

I will be back shortly gents, I have a few things to take care of. But fear not! I will try to respond to everyone's recent posts to the best of my ability. I apologize if it seems I have been ignoring some posters, but it is difficult to keep up conversations with many at once.

[Giancarlo]

The people of Apolyton versus Monkspider.

You even got Sava against you.

[DinoDoc]

Why are so many commies atheists? You'd think that an ideaology that has failed in such a spectactular fashion wouldn't attract that many adhearents. Faith springs eternal for us all I suppose.

[ThePlagueRat]

Yeah, monkspider. It's a big darn thread. Well, I just made this analysis of Leninism above here, so if you're one of those wannabe commies you ought to take a look at it and be enlightened by my wisdom...


You know... they shot people like me, back then.
Cause we knew too much, and created our own opinions.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why are so many commies atheists? You'd think that an ideaology that has failed in such a spectactular fashion wouldn't attract that many adhearents. Faith springs eternal for us all I suppose.

Well I am athiest.. and some think the exact opposite of a communist. I am no fascist.. but I am on the right.

[Sava]

they will just realize that helping others is more important than owning that second big screen TV.

Don't hold your breath man...

You even got Sava against you.

nah, I'm not against him, I just think he's wrong. And monk, no offense, but when you speak of a grand revolution happening in the near future, I wonder if you are posting with an aluminum foil pyramid hat on your head.

Why are so many commies atheists? You'd think that an ideaology that has failed in such a spectactular fashion wouldn't attract that many adhearents. Faith springs eternal for us all I suppose.

True communism AFAIK is more about keeping faith private rather than the absence of it. The Russian Orthodox church, while repressed, did remain strong in the Soviet system. Which was quite amazing considering the Soviet system was very repressive.

Just because one doesn't believe in your God, doesn't mean they are incapable of having faith in other areas DD. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Christianity is... well... inconsistent and most likely wrong. The same could be said about Communism too, I guess. Plus, atheism and Communism are seperate issues. One doesn't require the other.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Fez


Well I am athiest.. and some think the exact opposite of a communist. I am no fascist.. but I am on the right.

Good point... Fez is a shining example of atheism and anti-Communism.

[ThePlagueRat]

DinoDoc...

As one ancient communist once said:

Religion is the opium of the masses.
They're blind and follow like sheep.
- F. Engels

However, for a communist, his ideology has become his religion.
So the quote applies to them as well. And bourgois rightwingers too. Haha.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sava
True communism AFAIK is more about keeping faith private rather than the absence of it.

Strange. Most of the Poly commies can get quite evangelical at times, especially when these threads pop up. They wouldn't be such a good troll toipic if it weren't true. Where is Imran when I need him? He had such an interesting theory on the similarities between communism and religion, IIRC.

[Sava]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Strange. Most of the Poly commies can get quite evangelical at times, especially when these threads pop up. They wouldn't be such a good troll toipic if it weren't true. Where is Imran when I need him? He had such an interesting theory on the similarities between communism and religion, IIRC.

If your knowledge and perception of all Communists is based upon the online rantings on 'Poly... well... @ you