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  • #76
    Originally posted by Monk
    Fez,

    I don't think my sexual orientation could change.

    Why should your sexual preferences be unchangable when it's obvious that your preferences in people, food, wine, music, literature and everything else change severely during the years?

    (Edit: My spelling is atrocious today.)
    They have nothing to do with each other. I am sorry but it won't change.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #77
      Fez,

      They have nothing to do with each other. I am sorry but it won't change.

      Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your response, but I can't really understand your viewpoint if you don't elaborate on your claim and tell me wherein the differences lie between your sexual preferences and the ones I mentioned, or reply to a point of mine in some other way. A one line post merely stating your opinion won't be sufficient, I'm afraid.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Monk
        Fez,

        I don't think my sexual orientation could change.

        Why should your sexual preferences be unchangable when it's obvious that your preferences in people, food, wine, music, literature and everything else change severely during the years?

        (Edit: My spelling is atrocious today.)


        Sexual orientation is on a different caliber than food preferences and so forth.
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Monk
          Fez,

          They have nothing to do with each other. I am sorry but it won't change.

          Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your response, but I can't really understand your viewpoint if you don't elaborate on your claim and tell me wherein the differences lie between your sexual preferences and the ones I mentioned, or reply to a point of mine in some other way. A one line post merely stating your opinion won't be sufficient, I'm afraid.
          A one line post in this instance is enough. And what do you know? Excuse me.. I am the one here that would know. I can't change my sexuality like I change my food tastes. So your statement is inaccurate.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #80
            Edit - a strange kind of double post. Nevermind.
            Last edited by Monk; June 2, 2003, 12:44.

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            • #81
              The differences are there. They exist. To say that the ones you mentioned and sexual orientation is similar, is entirely inaccurate. Get a grip on reality. You know nothing about what it is to be gay. You cannot change. A one line post? My post was two lines. So get real. And this one was even longer.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #82
                "The differences are there. They exist."

                Hey Fez, you know, maybe you're right! I'm not stubborn or anything, I'm prepared to change my mind any time, given sufficient facts and arguments to do so. The thing is, though, I won't know if you're right before you begin arguing your case in another way than short remarks stating what you feel. I don't have any way of knowing why you feel it and why you might be right before you explain that.

                Honestly, I think you should take the "get a grip on reality" back. I might have offended you or others with my opinions on the case, but I think you'll realize that was never the intent.

                It's correct I don't know - first hand - what it's like to be gay, but I think you should remember I'm not really targetting gays here. I'm talking about the general human sexuality with which we all have experiences, not what it's like to be gay.

                (Edit: Now my grammar is atrocious. Will it ever end?)

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                • #83
                  How the hell can I state my argument in any way differently? I am saying all there is to say about the subject. I can't change my sexual orientation. I don't know how I could elaborate on that. That is how it is.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #84
                    I guess that now, all I'm saying is that if you're unable to elaborate, that's OK. But don't throw derogatory remarks across the Atlantic just because I happen to disagree with you on a statement you're unable to back up.

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                    • #85
                      Unable to back up? Why don't you start backing up your bald headed assumptions?
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #86
                        A lot of heterosexuals do not understand homosexuals because instead of making an effort to understand, they resort to fear-mongering by saying we are trying to convert children into becoming gay through adoptions.

                        Or they lump sexual orientation in the same caliber with food preferences or music preferences.
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #87
                          Fez,

                          Well, if you want to, you could read my post of 02-06-2003 17:47. What I'm saying is basically that if sexuality and sexual preferences don't change like I think they do, people like you and Mr. Fun have to explain why the sexual behaviour that I describe occurs anyway.

                          And even if you don't accept this as a valid argument - I guess the risk is pretty high, as you think you've said everything there is to say about the issue already - then there's one point that still stands: I still haven't thrown a derogatory remark in your face.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Monk
                            Fez,

                            Well, if you want to, you could read my post of 02-06-2003 17:47. What I'm saying is basically that if sexuality and sexual preferences don't change like I think they do, people like you and Mr. Fun have to explain why the sexual behaviour that I describe occurs anyway.

                            And even if you don't accept this as a valid argument - I guess the risk is pretty high, as you think you've said everything there is to say about the issue already - then there's one point that still stands: I still haven't thrown a derogatory remark in your face.
                            I don't think I understand your question.

                            You are asking that if sexual orientation does not change, then why do we behave as homosexuals?
                            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                            • #89
                              Monk, could you be a little more clear about that.. I am a bit confused. What exactly is it you are asking? Sorry english is not my first language.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #90
                                OK, sorry if I've been unclear.

                                1) If your sexual preferences can't be changed and we're born the way we are, how do you explain the instances where sexual preferences have indeed changed?

                                2) If Mr. Fun had lived his entire life with women and only women, would he still be gay in the sense that he wouldn't find women attractive? And in the same way, wouldn't I have been with a man?

                                3) What is the difference between my sexual preferences and all other sets of preferences that change over time?

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