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True as well, Rothy.
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No Boddy, that is not true and quite unproven for that matter.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I doubt it. Homosexuality isn't something that one's environment dictates.Originally posted by Rothy
The Problem with Gays adopting is that it could influence the sexuality of the child.
question for you homophobes... do you know any gay parents? I do. They are good parents. IMO, in terms of parenting, a child will grow up all right if the parents are loving and supportive, regardless of sexual orientation or marital status.
There enough bad parents out there that are straight and/or married.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Oh right. Perhaps we can make a test for it at birth, and inform willing adoptees of the result? After all, some parents may have a preference for straight children.Homosexuality isn't something that one's environment dictates.
Shouldn't their preferences be taken into account?
Gay adoption just seems to be an extension of the gay rights movement, rather than being an extension of caring for children.www.my-piano.blogspotComment
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Bods, if your points were backed by any kind of real-world experience, and not prejudice, then I might consider them.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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I really don't think so.Gay adoption just seems to be an extension of the gay rights movement, rather than being an extension of caring for children.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Boddington, do you think you could choose to be gay if you wanted to?
Heterosexuals cannot change their sexual orientation no more than homosexuals can change their sexual orientation.
As for the right wing meaning of family values that seeks to exclude homosexuals -- I agree that is the meaning of their view of family values.
I'm just arguing that society needs to change the definition of family so that homosexuals can be included. There are several different forms of family within one culture, and between different cultures.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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And not one mention of the children involved.Originally posted by MrFun
Boddington, do you think you could choose to be gay if you wanted to?
Heterosexuals cannot change their sexual orientation no more than homosexuals can change their sexual orientation.
As for the right wing meaning of family values that seeks to exclude homosexuals -- I agree that is the meaning of their view of family values.
I'm just arguing that society needs to change the definition of family so that homosexuals can be included. There are several different forms of family within one culture, and between different cultures.
You obviously see this as a homosexual matter rather than a child-protection one.www.my-piano.blogspotComment
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Fez, you may roll your eyes and play the mindless 'where's your proof' card to everything but in this case it's all too easy for you to revert to that. I imagine such a case is difficult to get 'proof' of since only recently have people started to campaign for this.
If it can be shown that a childs being adopted by Homosexual couples has no influence on the Childs Sexuality and a more or less normal percentage of them go onto be Homosexual when adults , then I would back the idea.
When considering Sexuality it's a serious issue, and subjecting a child to an envirnoment which could confuse the issue IS harmful whether or not it allows an extension of human rights, so you (Fez and co) are the ones who need to prove your claims to us doubters firstly.Up The MillersComment
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We do not yet know how sexual orientation develops -- there are a few different theories. So how do you know if sexual orientation is determined by environment that the child is raised in?Originally posted by Boddington's
And not one mention of the children involved.
You obviously see this as a homosexual matter rather than a child-protection one.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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I'd rather not take that risk.www.my-piano.blogspotComment
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Heterosexuals cannot change their sexual orientation no more than homosexuals can change their sexual orientation.
That's incorrect, Fun. Your sexuality isn't written in stone at birth, it's a living, developing thing. Given the right input, you could become straight and I could become gay.
You can see the evidence in prisons, polar expeditions and submarines where hetero men learn to appreciate things they would otherwise not have been involved in. It goes beyond the mere gender preference as well - to use the extreme example, people who were sexually abused as children are more likely to abuse their own, etc.Comment
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I am inclined to disagree with you monk. I don't think my sexual orientation could change.
And rothy, then why make such statements if you have no proof?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Rothy, Spink,
1) Even if the other children at school discover that Jackie has two mothers, won't you say there's a good chance she'll still be better off with them than she'd be in the orphanage or on the street in some obscure third world location?
2) Regarding the "teased in school" point, doesn't your view collide with your feeling of how legislation should be created? I mean, if we start making laws so they fit our prejudices, we really are on a slippery slope.
This was one of the reasons my country allowed for same-sex partnerships back in the eighties, even if the majority of the population opposed it. Today, the law has helped public acceptance of homosexuality greatly and is widely supported by politicians and people alike, even in not-so-tolerant-as-we'd-have-you-to-believe Denmark.Comment
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Fez,
I don't think my sexual orientation could change.
Why should your sexual preferences be unchangable when it's obvious that your preferences in people, food, wine, music, literature and everything else change severely during the years?
(Edit: My spelling is atrocious today.)Comment
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