The State of the Israeli Democracy 2003

[Az]

So, when are you going to annex Mexico?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Eli

The creation of a Jewish state was never a necessity to anyone but Zionists. Its not an inviteability and it certainly wasn't worth the cost.

Tell that to the ~300,000 German Jews who managed to escape in the 30's to Israel.

Tell that to the people on The Ship of the Damned, who were rejected from every country until they had to return to Germany and die in the concentration camps.

hi ,

to bad grandpa is passed away , .....

the signature on his forearm says more then a thousand words , ....



have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by Azazel

The creation of a Jewish state was never a necessity to anyone but Zionists. Its not an inviteability and it certainly wasn't worth the cost.

Says you.

One of the main reasons for Jewish terrorism under the British mandate was this prohibition of the British. Plus, the British were not very successful in stopping Jewish immigration.

The vast majority of holocaust survivors made it to Palestine only after the war.

Forgive me, I consider living side by side with someone who moves into your neighbourhood with no problems and even a good amount of cooperation as accepting. In the 1920s it was quite clear that many Jewish immigrants weren't simply moving in but had greater designs for Palestine.

Since they didn't have a national identity at that point, they hardly bothered.

Right and have been incorporated into the current government, while this poll says that 57% are for promoting arab immigration, the inhabitants of Yanun have been pushed out of their homes by settler harrassment and a lack of water and electricity,

You want me to tell you of inhabitants of settlements "pushed out" because of palestinian "harrassement" by automatic fire and fatal attack on civilians?

inhabitants of Hebron continue to leave because of settler harrassment and round the clock curfews to protect the 500 jewish settlers.

Yes, the palestinians are fleeing. Some Israelis have left Israel too, due to terrorism. ETHNIC CLEANSING!!!!

Meanwhile many mini-transfers happen as a result of building the infamous wall.

Yes. Palestinians are moving westward INSIDE the wall, to become a part of Israel.

hi ,

just one remark , they forget all the people > Jews and catholics who came to us in 1948 , who had to flee from the arab world , .....



the 8th of may is not even ten days old , ......

what is that again about he who forgets his history is doomed to repeat it , .....

have a nice day

[gsmoove23]

Tell that to the ~300,000 German Jews who managed to escape in the 30's to Israel.

and I suppose they can tell it to the 700,000 Palestinians kicked out of their homes after 1948 or maybe they already have. Pity the Pals didn't understand. Get off this crap, its 2 wrongs make a right logic even when the second wrong is done to people who have nothing to do with the first.

[Az]

I thought we already established that no 700,000 palestinians were forcibly removed from their homes?

[Panag]

Originally posted by gsmoove23



and I suppose they can tell it to the 700,000 Palestinians kicked out of their homes after 1948 or maybe they already have. Pity the Pals didn't understand. Get off this crap, its 2 wrongs make a right logic even when the second wrong is done to people who have nothing to do with the first.

and you just happend to forget the 650 000 jews who had to flee , .....

or the kops , druze , catholics , orhodox catholics , etc , .....

[Eli]

Originally posted by gsmoove23
and I suppose they can tell it to the 700,000 Palestinians kicked out of their homes after 1948 or maybe they already have. Pity the Pals didn't understand. Get off this crap, its 2 wrongs make a right logic even when the second wrong is done to people who have nothing to do with the first.

I'm not going to claim that the results of that war were particulary good for the Pals, but look what you're saying. That those 300,000 people had to stay in Germany and die because 15 years later Pals will run away from the Jewish army?

Yes, there were many "unfortunate events" along the road of Israeli history and many evils were done, but I still believe that overall it was worth it.

Not allowing those X thousands of Pals to return home is in itself absolutely wrong, but it allows the existance of Israel and from my own selfish reasons i'm going to support this wrongness.

[Az]

I am not sure about the relative consequences of the palestinians returning. I think a civil war would errupt in a matter of a year, tops.

[gsmoove23]

Says you.

Exactly, so you see my point. Zionists say we need a Jewish state, other people say whatever, people living on the land of said state say WTF. So who gets blamed for the current situation. Theres obviously enough to go around, but can you blame the Palestinians for the reaction?

Since they didn't have a national identity at that point, they hardly bothered.

Amazingly you can make decisions and such without a national identity, but I understand your harping on the theme.

You want me to tell you of inhabitants of settlements "pushed out" because of palestinian "harrassement" by automatic fire and fatal attack on civilians?

DUH! and my question is how will the political outlook in Israel will change as the situation only gets worse. Stay on the subject.

[gsmoove23]

Not allowing those X thousands of Pals to return home is in itself absolutely wrong, but it allows the existance of Israel and from my own selfish reasons i'm going to support this wrongness.

Well, I can respect the honesty of the statement, but it also puts blame on your shoulders.

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Azazel
So, when are you going to annex Mexico?

We already annexed the parts of it we wanted.

[Panag]

Originally posted by gsmoove23


Exactly, so you see my point. Zionists say we need a Jewish state, other people say whatever, people living on the land of said state say WTF. So who gets blamed for the current situation. Theres obviously enough to go around, but can you blame the Palestinians for the reaction?



Amazingly you can make decisions and such without a national identity, but I understand your harping on the theme.



DUH! and my question is how will the political outlook in Israel will change as the situation only gets worse. Stay on the subject.

DUH

if the whole world would leave us alone and let us fix our own problems we would be fine , .....

outside interfering from people who have never set foot in our country , .... duh

comments from people who seem to think that you have to be jewish in order to be a zionist , .... duh


the situation will get worse as long as outsiders who know zip about the facts try to enforce a will that belongs to them upon us , .... duh

[Az]

Exactly, so you see my point. Zionists say we need a Jewish state, other people say whatever, people living on the land of said state say WTF. So who gets blamed for the current situation. Theres obviously enough to go around, but can you blame the Palestinians for the reaction?

No. neither can I blame the Zionists. now, we have to reach an agreement and split it. fair enough?

Amazingly you can make decisions and such without a national identity, but I understand your harping on the theme.

Ahem, how exactly? Why would one bother, if he cannot define himself at a national level, but defines himself at a clan level? It's not that jews were moving into arab villages.

DUH! and my question is how will the political outlook in Israel will change as the situation only gets worse. Stay on the subject.

"stay on the subject"? you brought alleged examples of transfer taking place, I refuted them. you, stay on the subject!

[gsmoove23]

ok I'll phone Bush and tell him to stop interfering, sending you money and intervening in the UN for one.

[Az]

We already annexed the parts of it we wanted.

my point exactly.