Matrix Reloaded

[Kaak]

this is true, but it is difficult to see a way for this to be facilitated. When a mind is plugged in, you can program it, like how they "trained" neo. I believe it is in this manner that the freed mind was infected by smith. In the real world, i cannot think of a way for him to do this...

[Lancer]

Btw, the Matrix is real, though not the one in the movie...that makes the movie itself just another level, or, if that's too much, a program.

What's the purpose of the movie within the true matrix?

God only knows.

[Kaak]

now that i can't even begin to speculate....

[Lancer]

Kaak, regarding your last post, even the brain activity within freed and free people is electrical...though the body is not, that wouldn't take on the appearance of agent Smith...

This is trying to follow the writers thoughts kinda before he has them. Likely very unproductive, considering.

[Lancer]

"now that i can't even begin to speculate.... "

Sure... the blue pill.

[Kaak]

quick question: did you noitce if the "cake girl" is the same girl that was wearing the red dress in the agent training program?

[Lancer]

No, sorry I didn't notice. Trying to recall a 'cake girl'.

[Kaak]

you know, the one at the merovingian's who ate the cake and then went boom....

[Lancer]

Oh yeah...still can't recall if it was the same girl though.

[Elden]

I just saw it today - EXCELLENT !!!

[Jon Shafer]

"This is the sixth time we've destroyed Zion. We've gotten very good at it."

You really think that the machines have destroyed Zion in a "real world" 6 times, and the humans have completely rebuilt it again with 23 people each time? The humans have talked about how they had stopped the machines for 100 years and this would be no different. Zion isn't real, and it's just another part of the "reboot." The humans inside "Zion" have simply had their brains wiped each time the machines destroy them inside the second level of the Matrix. Your theory is perfect until you have to deal with the problem of the destruction of Zion.

[Ned]

Choice is an illusion. The Matrix gives those who chose not to live in the Matrix an alternative reality that makes them believe they are not in the Matrix, but alive, and rescuing people from the Matrix.

Neo is the first to realize this.

The next movie will be a quest to find the exit from the alternative Matrix so that the humans can really wake up and liberate humanity.

[Mercator]

Originally posted by Kaak
quick question: did you noitce if the "cake girl" is the same girl that was wearing the red dress in the agent training program?

My thoughts exactly... According to IMDB it's not the same girl though.

The cake girl is Tory Mussett, the woman in the red dress is Fiona Johnson (if either name actually means anything to you)

[Kaak]

You really think that the machines have destroyed Zion in a "real world" 6 times, and the humans have completely rebuilt it again with 23 people each time?

Yes. There are 250,000 people in Zion. I would think it would take a couple hundred years to build up a population like that from 23 people. If it were merely a matter of destroying a fake zion, they would be un able to "become exceedingly efficient at it." Besides, you forget. Neo sees the matrix as code. And he can see the code of things that are not of the matrix. the matrix within a matrix is impossible.

[Mercator]

Yes. There are 250,000 people in Zion. I would think it would take a couple hundred years to build up a population like that from 23 people. If it were merely a matter of destroying a fake zion, they would be un able to "become exceedingly efficient at it."

Why not? Everything's exactly the same as with a "real" world, except it's not real but virtual.

With each Matrix version, the things learned in the earlier versions can easily be added to the new version.

Besides, you forget. Neo sees the matrix as code. And he can see the code of things that are not of the matrix. the matrix within a matrix is impossible.

No it isn't, Neo could only see the code after "resurrecting" when Smith shot him. At a higher Matrix level, it is very imagineable that he needs to re-acquire that ability (just like he only finds out now that he has powers in the "Zion world")... Probably when he wakes up from his coma.