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  • #61
    Since humans are machines themselves, I think that it is possible to emulate. however, I don't think that the existing machines have this capability, and therefore, couldn't think of it, either.
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    • #62
      BTW, how many of you noticed when the Architect is explaining things to Neo that when he gets to modeling the Matrix on the nasty parts of human history, along with Hitler and Stalin among many other pictures there was a picture of of Srubya.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #63
        Hey, warn before you spoil!

        The movie opens at the 22nd, here.




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        • #64
          Originally posted by Trip
          Smith was/is "trying to find his purpose." Everyone Neo comes across is changed in some way (which they hint at), and Smith's role won't be fully revealed until Revolutions (in the trailer it says "if you don't defeat him now then everything will be destroyed" or something to that effect).
          Smith is a big nasty virus. Not only can he infect and control programs within the matrix, but he can do the same to humans outside. I haven't seen the trailer for the next movie (didn't know it followed the credits ) but maybe he'll be the common enemy in the next one.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Azazel
            Since humans are machines themselves, I think that it is possible to emulate. however, I don't think that the existing machines have this capability, and therefore, couldn't think of it, either.
            I was just about to say that. Why is it so stereotypical to make robots as such uncreative emotionless bengs just because we cant emulate such things as of now?
            :-p

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Azazel
              Hey, warn before you spoil!

              The movie opens at the 22nd, here.




              This whole thread is a spoiler
              :-p

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Zero


                This whole thread is a spoiler
                That's why I read it very carefully. I actually have the self control from reading it entirely.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Zero
                  I was just about to say that. Why is it so stereotypical to make robots as such uncreative emotionless bengs just because we cant emulate such things as of now?
                  From what I know of AI studies, creative, independent intelligences are not only not on the horizon, it is speculated they aren't even possible. The human brain has ten trillion cells. Granted, only part of that is used for consciousness, but it's the major part of it. Each cell has the capacity to connect to every other cell. The possible combinations is a factoral number that is so high it doesn't even have a name.

                  Even with nanotechnology, I doubt it's possible to create non-cellular computers with that capacity. Even if every computer on Earth were networked together, it wouldn't be as powerful as one human brain. And we have 6 billion+ human brains. There are somethings computers can do very, very well. Creativity isn't one of them.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                    From what I know of AI studies, creative, independent intelligences are not only not on the horizon, it is speculated they aren't even possible. The human brain has ten trillion cells. Granted, only part of that is used for consciousness, but it's the major part of it. Each cell has the capacity to connect to every other cell. The possible combinations is a factoral number that is so high it doesn't even have a name.

                    Even with nanotechnology, I doubt it's possible to create non-cellular computers with that capacity. Even if every computer on Earth were networked together, it wouldn't be as powerful as one human brain. And we have 6 billion+ human brains. There are somethings computers can do very, very well. Creativity isn't one of them.
                    and yet mother nature created us from bunch of protein strands in few billion years...

                    Like I said, to deny any possibility just because you see a limitation on current situation does not mean it isnt possible later.

                    After all we are only sophisticated biological machines.
                    :-p

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                    • #70
                      Should talk to UberKrux, hes knowledgable on artificial intellegence, IIRC
                      "I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
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                      • #71
                        He better be, since he's majoring in it, IIRC.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Zero
                          and yet mother nature created us from bunch of protein strands in few billion years...

                          Like I said, to deny any possibility just because you see a limitation on current situation does not mean it isnt possible later.


                          It isn't that I see a limitation on our current situation. The whole concept as you see it is flawed. AI is something rather different that what is imagined by the general public. At it's most basic, AI is simply a choosing program, and AI's can only make decisions based upon the choices they are given (which throws an interesting light on the binary choices forced upon the humans in the movie). Humans can make new choices. Instead of going through door 1 or door 2, Neo could have made at least two different choices, options he wasn't given. A machine can't do that. A machine will never be able to do that, at least not without using biocomputing, at which point you're getting back into the realm of life instead of machines.

                          After all we are only sophisticated biological machines.


                          Incorrect. Saying life is simply a machine is merely an allogory, the opposite of anthropomorphism. Machines are tools. We aren't tools.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                            Maybe batteries is just what the humans think. Personally, I think the machines need humans for their creativity. Machines can't go past their limitations. Humans have that capacity, however. We could still be programming the Matrix from within, without realizing it.
                            Based on what I saw in the Second Renaissance, I'm going to have to call BS on this theory.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              Based on what I saw in the Second Renaissance, I'm going to have to call BS on this theory.
                              animatrix stuff was 10 times better than the movie. You know what I realized? Matrix is actually pretty damn good. All the times I've been complaining that its way to comic-like, but I realize that it is supposed to be a comic book like series. And considering how many anime/video game/Comic book movies fail horrendously, Matrix is just awesome.

                              It felt just right watching the secon renaissance series. Matrix defintely should release lots of comics and animes. it was really good.

                              And my friend tells me that stuff shown in the animtrix are officially correct with the main story plot. Is this true? I can imagine that is possible. After all second movie said there was 6 matrix.
                              :-p

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Zero
                                And my friend tells me that stuff shown in the animtrix are officially correct with the main story plot. Is this true?
                                The "Final Flight of the Osiris" & "Kid's Story" are the two main ones' I can think of.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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