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*off topic* okay, i just watched donnie darko, and i have no clue. at all. Can anyone take a few moments to explain.........
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"Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
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it was worth the ticket price--however, a lot of it i found too excessive.
bad:
--the dance/sex scene (lifted from dune) i thought was far too long and grotesque (those matrix knobs? NOT SEXY!).
--entering zion, you see those mech/power walkers? when one uses cg, i want to be fooled--even for an instant. those mechs were so poorly done--light was kinda all funky, too reflective; and the gun twirl was far too excessive and not cool at all.
--excessive reuse of trinity's blowing up the guard post good and falling out the window.
--excessive use of laurence fishburne to deliver shoddy dialogue (which nobody listened to, i'm sure) to make it sound good.
--some of the combat scenes (seraph v. neo) weren't as wow as i'd wanted them to be. that one in particular had nothing physics-defying.
--the cake... and its result. that was excessive.
--the tie-in to a kid's story.
--"good night, zion"... ("good night, moon... good night stars... good night little boy, with a balloon")
--the nambla moment with neo and the councillor.
--the trailer spoiling every good moment the twins had.
good:
on the other hand, there were a lot of cool things in it.
--elro--agent smith is soooo funny/cool.
--the architect scene, when the background and neo diverge
--the sentinels have learned...
--the tie-in to the final flight of the osiris.
--the keymaker.
--seraph.
--the twins themselves.
--excessive explosions.
--the highway.
yes, well worth the time and money.
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Question: Is the Oracle an ally, an enemy, or both?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Spoiler warning now. Consider yourself warned.
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The Oracle is a program... just part of the Matrix, with a "purpose" just like every other part.
Some people thought that the philosophy stuff was pretty shoddy in this one, but I was impressed for the most part. The whole "everyone has their purpose" might have been overdone a bit, but it's something to think about. The scene with the Architect was good also, and the fight scenes were awesome.
As for the movie as a whole, I generally agree with SnowFire/korn... half the movie you're watching excitedly (I'll never forget the time Neo pelted that Agent Smith with the pole and the whole theater audence went "ooooo!") but the other half you're like "uhhh, this is the Matrix? (What was with the sex scene, the big uncontrolled orgy/rave/thing and the little talk between the counsel and Neo?).
Other people I've talked to were upset about a few things (e.g. what Agent Smith was up to), but I think that's more of a problem with them making the 2nd and 3rd movies so connected, and there are many things yet to be revealed.
Overall, 8.5/10, about the same as the first movie, but more polarized (some cooler moments, and some other moments which are just lame balance out to about the same coolness).Comment
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Does that purpose make "it" an impediment to Neo's quest or what?Originally posted by Trip
The Oracle is a program... just part of the Matrix, with a "purpose" just like every other part.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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this one, you could make a drinking game out of the words "destiny" or "causality".
it's your choice which one you pick.B♭3Comment
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The philosophy in this one was excellent. The whole control thing (with zion ultimately merely the other side of the equation of the matrix) was brilliant and most unexpected.Originally posted by Trip
Some people thought that the philosophy stuff was pretty shoddy in this one, but I was impressed for the most part. The whole "everyone has their purpose" might have been overdone a bit, but it's something to think about.
As for Zion, well, looks good to me.
- "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
- I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
- "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - MingComment
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Another spoiler alert.
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I don't think so. I think it's simply there to "guide" Neo in his path and help him understand what he's doing. As the Oracle mentions, she is only there to help him understand the choices he's already made. Neo realizes that his dream about Trinity will come true, and he has to grapple with that fact for most of the movie.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Does that purpose make "it" an impediment to Neo's quest or what?Comment
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More spoilers.
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My roommate thought the ending was very predictable, but I think that's just because he's upset whenever a movie doesn't end with everyone dead.Originally posted by The Templar
The philosophy in this one was excellent. The whole control thing (with zion ultimately merely the other side of the equation of the matrix) was brilliant and most unexpected.
As for Zion, well, looks good to me.
The fact that everything is simply a "Matrix within a Matrix" was a pretty interesting twist, and makes up for the sex scene...
It makes you wonder how things will end... Why should Neo fight? It's not real, and the humans will lose anyways. After six times, the "machines have gotten good at destroying Zion." Why have a Zion at all if the machines are really in charge? Is there a real Zion? Is anything we've seen real? Is there anything real at all?
Good stuff.
Just get rid of the orgy.Comment
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I saw it wednesday at 10:00 PM. I thought it was insanely awesome, equal to the first, tho my friends i went with had mixed thoughts. They kept trying to point out plot holes and suff, but it boiled down to they didnt understand the damn thing. Others thought the fight scenes were dragged out too long (can you believ that!?) So, it is definately mediocre, despite ne's taste, but if you like those kind of movies, then it is the best one to come ot in a LONG time
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We had damn well better have seen something real. I loathe stories where everything is a dream.Originally posted by Trip
It makes you wonder how things will end... Why should Neo fight? It's not real, and the humans will lose anyways. After six times, the "machines have gotten good at destroying Zion." Why have a Zion at all if the machines are really in charge? Is there a real Zion? Is anything we've seen real? Is there anything real at all?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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The fight with the Merovingian's cronies was pretty good, and the fight with the Smiths was classic. I thought both played out very realistically (heaven forbid Neo ever get hit with an attack). I read that the Smith fight took 27 days to shoot.Comment
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Ever seen Vanilla Sky?Originally posted by DinoDoc
We had damn well better have seen something real. I loathe stories where everything is a dream.Comment
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Well I think as long as you go in not expecting it to be just like the original, you'll be pretty well off.Comment
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No and I just told you why.Originally posted by Trip
Ever seen Vanilla Sky?
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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