Team Info and Contacts - PAL

[sunrise089]

Sounds good Sullla. And remember all, these are just vague notions of "fairness" when it comes to virtual goodwill points for the horses, jumbos, etc here. PAL can claim all they want that things are square, and we can point out how supplying us and our military rivals is hardly the same as giving them monopoly access to their UU resource, but it really just comes down to how much either team is willing to sacrifice to ensure good long-term relations.

[Zeviz]

If we are about to get into unhappiness, than we should accept the elephants as soon as they are offered and give back wines as soon as we can. I agree that concrete benefit is worth more than talk about potential "goodwill points". I just want to make sure we can still ask for emergency metal when our copper is disconnected.

[mostly-harmless]

What Zeviz said.

EDIT: So why don't we connect up the wines that are already roaded first? Should be done much, much sooner.
And if we plan to settle Burgundy any time soon, even better.

mh

[sooooo]

From PAL:

Hiya RB,

Someone in our forums says you guys have an extra marble hooked. Is this right? Can we trade for that instead?
peace,
cres

[sooooo]

Lol, gmail adsense is showing us links to wine sites because we are discussing wines with PaL

[ruff_hi]

email from PAL ...

Realms Beyond,

I offered the ivory for marble deal in game.

crescentfresh (PAL)

[Zeviz]

Should we tell them that we've already offered Marble to another CIV, so we have to wait for their reply? (Our plan to offer Templars marble trade.)

A thought of PAL with marble is not very pleasant, but it would give us extra happiness right away if we want it.

[Swiss Pauli]

I'd be tempted to decline this deal and counterpropose Wines for Ivory. Until we get Construction, Ivory is merely a happiness resource.

Marble would probably let them have a run at Temple of Artemis in their capital, which with Great Lighthouse and a holy city would not be good.

[Swiss Pauli]

I'd be tempted to decline this deal and counterpropose Wines for Ivory. Until we get Construction, Ivory is merely a happiness resource.

Marble would probably let them have a run at Temple of Artemis in their capital, which with Great Lighthouse and a holy city would not be good.

[Sullla]

I'd be tempted to decline this deal and counterpropose Wines for Ivory. Until we get Construction, Ivory is merely a happiness resource.

Let me just reiterate one more time: trading our only wines for ivory doesn't work, because we need them both to keep our cities happy.

As for PAL's offer, I think we should send them a quick email saying that we need to discuss it. We might also politely remind them that they are changing their offer to something we didn't agree on, which is bad form.

Alternately, we could counter-offer by saving that we'll trade them marble for their extra gems (yes, they have 2 gems!) and then wines for ivory once we get a second source connected.

[sooooo]

I think we need to push a deal through where we get to send a scout through their lands. It's really really important that we meet banana.

How about:

Marble is slightly less convenient for us, but we will be willing to trade marble for ivory with the proviso that we can send our scout through your lands to meet banana.

[mostly-harmless]

Good idea, soooo.
Make it "scouts" so we can later claim that the galley is ok as well.

mh

[mostly-harmless]

For the record. I turned down PALs Ivory vs. Marble deal until we get a commitment wrt the scouts.

Someone volunteering to take care of the message?

mh

[Swiss Pauli]

email sent

Hi PAL,

We turned down the deal for now. We'll make the trade if you accept us travelling through your territory to meet Banana.

Cheers,

Swiss Pauli

[Swiss Pauli]

Cruel irony is a fickle mistress:

Thanks for the info SP.

I will relay this to the team. We finally ironed out an open borders agreement with banana and agreed to let them come north with a galley along the east coast of our continent. You will be meeting them shortly either way.

-cres