Team Info and Contacts - PAL

[Swiss Pauli]

Let's offer Aesthetics to PAL in-game. EDIT: I don't think Great Library has any bearing on Lit's trade value; if a team wanted it then they'd have learnt the techs themselves.

We should also send PAL a note about switching the Ivory deal to gems. If I don't hear anything to the contrary, I will send this request this afternoon.

[mostly-harmless]

I am for waiting another 3-4 turns for the Aesthetics trade, to time the Literature trade with their ETA of CS.

mh

[ruff_hi]

lets do the Aesthetics trade (gift) now, wait 3-4 turns for Lit <-> CS, then wait the same amount of turns and gift them the 3rd tech.

[Swiss Pauli]

OK, we didn't send this proposal to PAL:

PAL propsed trading on the turn they discover CS, but asked for Aesthetics now; how about we counter-propose this:

Turn X-5 - we give them Aesth
Turn X - CS Trade for Lit
Turn X+5 - we give them Drama

(using 5 as a nominal number). That way, both teams have beakers "in the bank" for an equivalent period, and it gives us time to research Maths to get CS, and then Drama for the other half of the trade.

I'll include send two emails, one about the techs and another about their trade with PAL.

[Swiss Pauli]

email sent:

Hi PAL,

Our proposal on the tech trade is as follows:

Turn X-5 - we give you Aesthetics
Turn X - CS Trade for Lit
Turn X+5 - we give you Drama/Horseback Riding*

*We realise that HBR is fewer beakers, but we would propose to compensate the difference in the next trade. The reason we're undecided between the two techs is that Imperio has recently discovered Construction, Feudalism, and HBR, so we may need to prioritize military techs in the medium term.

We hope this is acceptable for you.

Cheers,

Team RB

[Swiss Pauli]

email sent:

Hello again!

We see your deal with Imperio giving Ivory in exchange for Gold is still active. As we noted in the tech trade conversation, Imperio has HBR & Construction, so they can now train War Elephants. This surely makes the deal unbalanced. We would appreciate it if you could cancel this deal, and replace with the Ivory with Gems.

From our side, we will soon connect suplus Wines, and would be keen to trade these with you.

Cheers,

Team RB

I left the horses out of the request for now, to either use later, or to use if PAL don't want to cancel the trade.

[ruff_hi]

If we want to do the CS trade with PAL, then we have to research Maths next.

Aren't we screwed if we need maths for CS (from a trade point of view)? why would be research maths if we are facing a military issue in 18 or so turns.

[Swiss Pauli]

Yeah, it'll certainly be tight to get Maths done in 3 turns, but I think we'll just have to wing it and hand over Lit as proposed to prove that we're to be trusted.

[sunrise089]

Well done Swiss.

[Zeviz]

Thanks for sending the messages. Did anybody propose the trade (gift) in game?

[mostly-harmless]

In the light of us needing Math first and no way we can get it in 3 turns, but rather need additional 6-7 turns, plus we want to go HBR after Monarchy, I am totally against gifting PAL Aesthetics now. If they cancel the Ivory deal now, then fine, otherwise I don't see the point.

I am assuming we need 4 turns for Monarchy, another 6 turns on HBR and another 6 turns for Math!

mh

[Sullla]

Yeah, it'll certainly be tight to get Maths done in 3 turns, but I think we'll just have to wing it and hand over Lit as proposed to prove that we're to be trusted.

Hmmm... that will definitely be tight. We might have to do a turn or two of "build research" somewhere... But we will be increasing science output significantly when Airstrip One goes back onto commerce config, not to mention wines letting us grow to a larger size. Well, we'll do our best and see what happens!

I will propose the Aesthetics gift in-game this turn.

EDIT: Or maybe not. I guess we should wait and see what PAL says first? Unlike mh, I don't particularly care about sending PAL a non-military tech that does little to improve their position. Builds goodwill, and helps secure us an incredibly crucial tech.

[Zeviz]

The reason we need to start the deal now is to lock it in before PAL changes their mind. The negative outcome of PAL refusing to buy Aestetics and/or Literature would hit us far harder than the negative outcome of PAL getting free Aestetics and going back on the deal.

[sooooo]

It's quite a clever idea for PAL to want to supply everyone with elephants. That way we spend our time building expensive units in fear of each other and less time on cooperating and teching.

[sunrise089]

From the Imperio thread:

Not so promising:



Not exactly what we wanted to hear, but gives us some hope of a decent deal.

I think we should mention the horses gift to either:

a. press them further to cancel the Imperio deal
b. get the gems for ourselves (if they're still available)
c. Your suggestions here!

I really don't think they are willing (or able) to cancel the Ivory, so I'd advocate option b. I may not be available until tomorrow morning, so someone else should send the reply if we can agree quickly.

My preference is to again ask them to switch out their resource trade with Imperio, and ensure them we have no intention of attacking Imperio for many (30+?) turns. Obviously PAL wants to trade elephants around to get as many resources as possible, but (if we're worried of an imminent Imperio attack) perhaps they could be persuaded that the worst thing they could do right now is supply Imperio with a military advantage alongside their great land and longbows.

Maybe a compromise to cancel Imperio's elephants until we have our own?