Team Info and Contacts - PAL

[ruff_hi]

remember - we are taking a fairly casual tone with PAL ... thus the spirit of my silly email above. Sure, I got the opponent wrong, but I blame C&D for not giving me the correct memo.

[sunrise089]

Originally posted by sooooo
Erm, I don't really see the point of an email. The answers to our questions we can answer ourselves. They attacked rabbits because they want to win the game. Of course they used our horses to do so. m-h: What is it you want (and what do you expect) to achieve by sending them an email?

I think if the Templar border agreement BS warrants and email, certainly a game-winning war started on false pretenses deserves one as well. This war is the elephant in the room. To me it would be odd not to mention it. Since PAL was deceptive to us, a friendly chat now helps define our view (we don't support their methods, but we're happy remaining friends with a powerful ally) without forcing us to be silly and act like this never happened during future discussions.

Plus, emails are cheap.

[Zeviz]

Don't forget that we aren't even supposed to know about this war. If I understand correctly, the war only shows up as an interface glitch: selecting Imperio and hovering mouse over PAL's name. Normally, we wouldn't see wars with civs we haven't met yet.

So just mentioning the war would give away the extent of information we are gathering through C&D. If anything, I'd prefer to make a post in public forums along the lines of "We saw a big drop in average soldier points recently. Is there a war going on?"

As for the message, what could we possibly accomplish by sending it? The reason we keep talking to Templars is that we don't want them to attack us in the near future. What would be the benefit of asking PAL questions that we could answer ourselves?

PS In summary, I am strongly against mentioning the war to PAL. Just like with not mentioning settler double-move to Templars, this is the kind of thing that can be used to either demand an apology now or ask for consessions later, and consessions are more useful than an apology.

[sooooo]

Whether we mention the war or not, we need to get our horses back methinks. It would be polite to give them a few turns' notice.

Also, should we mention tech trading to them? I think we can now say that we are researching aesthetics (and maybe literature). Their research must be glacial right now and will to be a threat to TGL.

How about:

Hi PaL.

We could do with our horses back please. Barb axes are starting to show up in our neighbourhood. We'll give you a couple of turns' notice, but can you please trade them back to us on turn 97.

Also, we should update you about our research. We decided to go for aesthetics, and will then go for literature. What did you go for and when will you complete it?

Thanks a bunch,

Realms Beyond

[sunrise089]

No need to mention Lit right now, right Sooooo? I don't think we need to give that info away so many turns in advance.

[mostly-harmless]

Don't mention the war!!! ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE4UIBcwQI4&feature=related

mh

[Zeviz]

I like Sooooo's draft, but agree about not mentioning Literature for now. Also, we should either give our ETA for Aestetics, or not ask about their ETA either.

[Swiss Pauli]

Originally posted by mostly-harmless
Don't mention the war!!! ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE4UIBcwQI4&feature=related

mh

I was wondering when someone would bring that up

[mostly-harmless]

"I mentioned it once. But I think I got away with it."

mh

[ruff_hi]

without even clicking on the link I am assuming it will be taking me to a small seaside hotel run by a very tall strange gentleman with a funny walk. Am I right?

[sunrise089]

From the "disputes" thread:

Originally posted by tonyciv4
As I pretty much make up all of PALs active team, you can take this post as our resignation from the game.

Not good.

My best recommendation is an Atlantis event which wipes the entire other continent off the map.

[Kodii]

Originally posted by Chuckman
We may want to take anything said by tonyciv4 with a gain of salt. tonyciv4 joined Apolyton on 12/30/2008.

[sunrise089]

Perhaps he just changed his name? Otherwise he would have no access to the PAL forum, unless maybe PAL just shares a password.

[mostly-harmless]

Well, he is not actually listed in the team PAL, but I have no reason to believe he is not an active player for PAL.

If PAL disbands this game is dead. Thank god I did not invest hours to write up another C&D chapter last night.

mh

[sunrise089]

I had an interesting chat with CrescentFresh in the gamespy MP lobby yesterday. He told me that he wasn't sure who attacked first in the war because the game is down, but that there is lots of dissension within PAL over TonyCIV. Apparently Tony is being very insulting to other members of the team, wants there to be a clear team leader with overall authority, and has generally made the game unpleasant. Hopefully this will mean that cooler heads will prevail in the future if Tony is making his exit.

I've also learned that Automation is MP player MissLadyLuck, who despite being a lousy teamate is a very skilled player.