Salonika

[Turk Man]

turk have their bad side and thier bad side.so everone as their sides!

[Turk Man]

this came to be becasue of the city list on the game

[Cvetin]

Re: Basically, that is all good for me.

Originally posted by G(R)EEK
Yep, since us Greeks can conquer it all over again, and say,

Little turk,
Is it dark and lonely outside the EU? What you gonna do when they leave you out again? Invade?

Personally, again, I love PtW just because there ARE turks, which is my biggest complaint about previous civs.

That way, I can conquer, kill, genocide em (can you say "raze city". What would happen historically anyway, had Benizelos won the '19 elections.

Firaxis could get out of the loop by calling it Thesalloniki like we all Greeks do, and which is the name anyway.

I fully realize that there is a Turk somewhere over there thinking the same as I do. Now is your chance to conquer Greece. (Only chance you 'll ever get)

And to our resident Skopjan.... When will Albanians own you, and just who will you turn to for help when that happens? Are you by any chance an Albanian? Or were you assimilated to a Slav?

If you are thinking of Genocide, think Micrasia '22 (although Turks now call it Anatolia), or what they did to Armenians back in '15.

And to everyone doubting this, please do all visit Thessaloniki, as is today, and see if ANYONE speaks that jibberish also known as "Skopian"

And once again...

Macedonia, was and always will be Greek, basically most of Northern Greece is Macedonia, the home of the greatest GREEK hero Alexander. If any of you asks why did former Vardaria call itself Macedonia, well, think all the pornosites titled nasd.gov and cnm.com etc going for hits.

Wish we could (TM) history. We 'd own it. As is, you just can't (TM) heroes.

Daily joke: Turkey "Civilization" (or did they wait for PtW to have one...)

EEEEK, what's happening with this thread?
Only yesterday I checked on Apolton to see my Greek, Turk and
other buddies and how your thread is going and it's gone
overboard
G(R)EEK, malaka...
Since I don't have the luxury of beign unemployed and peddling
hatred on the net all day I won't go into all the stpd things
you write about Macedonia. But I can't be quiet on you
praising the great Greek Hero Alexandar. I don't object to
Greeks appreciating Alexandar, I object to ****** smearing
Alexandar. I have included a fragment from an article by a
contemporary MKD philosophers Ferid Muhic (a Bosniak Muslim
living in Macedonia) on Alexandar. Try to fit Alexandar
preaching brotherhood among nations and wedding Persians with
Macedonians/Greeks into your "burn 'em all" philosophy, you
little pustis

...he gave commands to his generals and soldiers not to insult
or humiliate the young women and daughters of Persia but to
treat them as their lawful wives. Consequently, he ordered
"the marriage of the worlds" at the great wedding, an event
which, according to the sources, united over 20,000 couples in
matrimony. Thus, the idea of Alexander, as quoted by the
Turkish admiral Reis Piri, was identical to his motto: "One
who learns from perfection becomes himself perfect!" The same
author emphasises the characteristic of "Iskender" never to
judge people by "whether they were dressed in silk or in rags,
whether they were rich or poor", but "whether they were
capable of living together with other people by divine and
human laws...

[Palaiologos]

Cvetin i do not agree with all that G(R)EEK says, but i do not think it is appropiate to call him malaka and pustis.

You are getting off the line here.


For the Alexander issue:

Yes Alexander indeed tried to blend Greek and Asian culture by marrying Greeks with Asians and training young Persians in the Greek army.

The Macedonians resented this, and his veterans, who had followed him in the depths of Asia and India and had not seen their homes for 13 years, felt betrayed.

And that brought his downfall.

Multinational cultures simply do not last.

[Cvetin]

Hey thanks for the reply Pal, I was afraid I got the spelling wrong.
I know it's a little out of line calling GEEK names, but the guy's got some serious issues. So he was kicked out of what is now Turkey. I'm sorry for him, but as I write, there are at least 5 people in the office (and it's Sunday, so we're at half strenght) who were kicked out of Solun (Salonica), Lerin, Kostur, Kukus and other towns and cities in Aegean Macedonia (as we call it, or northern Greece) just for being Macedonians. So what? Does that mean we have to keep on hating each other? GEEK even hits at the Albanian attacks on Macedonia in 2001 even though there are more Albanians in Greece then there are albanians in Macedonia. In the course of my work I was unfortunate enough to meet their current warchief and to see that this ruthless enemy is nthng more then a scared little putz (btw, some of their maps include chunks of Greece as well as Macedonia, so beware)

you say: Multinational cultures simply do not last.

Let's speak about this some day in Solun harbour over a Macburger and Coke, while listening to brit pop, dressed in turkish jeans. I may even hook you up with some cute Macedonian girls (just to prove that the spirit of Alexandar lives on
Cheers mate
Cvetin

[Turk Man]

this is bull.....

[IRON_BRIGADE]

HEHHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEHE

[XarXo]

I just want say this: Give to kurds a high autonomy level or independence and you will be able to EU. You can't enter as an european if you pretend put all the
-STAN countries inside. Or the capitol of a -STAN countries union or just another EU member, but not all.

[Turk Man]

yes this is bull.....!

[Turk Man]

why ,do we keep on going ?

[XarXo]

The existance of Salonika in the Ottoman list is just because Turks doesn't have enough important (historical/cultural) cities . Just look that only Izmir has something interesting, Istambul is just a Byzance city "turkished".

Turks are people that just invaded something beautiful, is like the northern tribes in Rome.

Show me something beautiful made in Turkey that is made by turks, please. No more greek/byzance. Thanks.

BTW, there's any relation between earthquakes and the fact that turkish are on this area?

[G(R)EEK]

Re: Re: Basically, that is all good for me.

Originally posted by Cvetin




EEEEK, what's happening with this thread?
Only yesterday I checked on Apolton to see my Greek, Turk and
other buddies and how your thread is going and it's gone
overboard
G(R)EEK, malaka...
Since I don't have the luxury of beign unemployed and peddling
hatred on the net all day I won't go into all the stpd things
you write about Macedonia. But I can't be quiet on you
praising the great Greek Hero Alexandar. I don't object to
Greeks appreciating Alexandar, I object to ****** smearing
Alexandar. I have included a fragment from an article by a
contemporary MKD philosophers Ferid Muhic (a Bosniak Muslim
living in Macedonia) on Alexandar. Try to fit Alexandar
preaching brotherhood among nations and wedding Persians with
Macedonians/Greeks into your "burn 'em all" philosophy, you
little pustis

...he gave commands to his generals and soldiers not to insult
or humiliate the young women and daughters of Persia but to
treat them as their lawful wives. Consequently, he ordered
"the marriage of the worlds" at the great wedding, an event
which, according to the sources, united over 20,000 couples in
matrimony. Thus, the idea of Alexander, as quoted by the
Turkish admiral Reis Piri, was identical to his motto: "One
who learns from perfection becomes himself perfect!" The same
author emphasises the characteristic of "Iskender" never to
judge people by "whether they were dressed in silk or in rags,
whether they were rich or poor", but "whether they were
capable of living together with other people by divine and
human laws...

And here we go again.
For all the pety things you say, well, I won't bother answering. I don't wish to turn this into a shouting contest. A bosnian muslim quoting an Ottoman Admiral? Well, to each his own I guess. And if you intend to use his name well, call him by his OWN name ALEXANDROS ?,

It is weird isn't it? You are using all the Greek swear words correctly but you don't seem to KNOW his name. I don't care about your opinion about me. I do care what you call Big Al. But then had it not been for him you would have called your little country VARDARIA and be done with it.

Well never mind. Basically where we are today world is getting a big village is where we should be headed all along. I have no doubts that the world we would be living in today would be really different had Alexander lived longer. As for my work that is of my own concern, but I bet I make more money than you and if anything, I have a country that doesn't have a civil war or DOESN'T WORRY about Albanian revolution.

When it happens, I am really curious where you will go seeking refuge. I am.

Brotherhood in nations begins with each nation accepting itself and others for what they are.

For all your shouts you don't seem to denounce your country's policy of "True descendants of Alexander" and "Macedonian Brothers in Greek Borders, we don't forget you". Well you are a pathetic little YPOKRITHS (check that out in a dictionary to find out what that means)

I feel that in the future, if/when Turkey listens to its people not its Warmongers I truly believe that we will be friends. And when the bickering stops and Cyprus reunite we will be even more. If we don't feel threatened anymore there is so much we can do. We can.

At least the Turks don't pretend to be something they are not.

You "Macedonians" are historical Transvestites, trying desperately to pretend to be something you are not.

Next time you look into a history book try to remember what you are, if -that is- you already know.

[XarXo]

Mmm, couldn't be more delicate? At the end they are a country, just say that Vardaria is the good name.

[Palaiologos]

Hmm....G(R)EEK are you sure than we live in a country that is not afraid of an Albanian revolt?

More than one million of their foul race live as immigrants within our borders. It won't be long before they are allowed to vote and form a political party of their own as they "constitute a large portion of the population, and must have political rights as the Greeks do". That particular Albanian party will propably get fundings from their acursed motherland and support their claims.

What would happen if at a momment of Greek political anarchy the albanian party uprises and calls its voters to take up arms for the benefit of Mother Albania?

Greece must do its utmost to support FYROM and prevent its colapse, as they form a excellent buffer state. Step two would be to drive out ALL albanians from the country.

If non Greeks are surprised by my answer, then it is my duty to inform them that the greek hate list goes:

1.Albanians.
2.Turks.
3.Citizens of FYROM.
4.Bulgarians.

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by XarXo
The existance of Salonika in the Ottoman list is just because Turks doesn't have enough important (historical/cultural) cities . Just look that only Izmir has something interesting, Istambul is just a Byzance city "turkished".

Turks are people that just invaded something beautiful, is like the northern tribes in Rome.

Show me something beautiful made in Turkey that is made by turks, please. No more greek/byzance. Thanks.

BTW, there's any relation between earthquakes and the fact that turkish are on this area?

You are absolutely correct.

Izmir is "Smyrna" in Greek. It too was founded by Greeks. Ionian Greeks in 600BC.