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  • #136
    a not so seriously meant post:

    the turks are the greatest civ of all time, for they gave us:
    - kebaps: the best tasting fast food
    - coffee: the fuel of modern society (enough replaces 2 hours of sleep )


    but back on topic:
    imo the same city SHOULD appear several times. because in the game were're speaking of 6050 years of history. only because civilization A founded a city, doesn't mean that one or more other civs can't use that geographical spot for writing history.

    best example is jerusalem: it's a capital for jews, christians and muslims (and a lot of sects). and you can't say it "belongs" to just 1 religion... same for civilisations
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    • #137
      What americans can say? They just lost two towers and they are crying months and months... What about if New York turned in New Mecca?
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      • #138
        Originally posted by sabrewolf
        a not so seriously meant post:

        the turks are the greatest civ of all time, for they gave us:
        - kebaps: the best tasting fast food
        - coffee: the fuel of modern society (enough replaces 2 hours of sleep )

        Coffee??????

        Ok your post is funny and all but I'm a bit worried that you don't know where coffee really came from.

        ( hint ----> south America)
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        • #139
          Originally posted by Anaton
          Coffee??????

          Ok your post is funny and all but I'm a bit worried that you don't know where coffee really came from.

          ( hint ----> south America)
          yep, the bean comes from south america.
          but the ottomans brought it to europe (and indirectly to north america).

          it's a famous story (myth?) that when the turks where driven out of vienna, they left some big sacks with strange looking beans inside. noone new what it was good for, for it tasted like shït. finally they asked a prisoner, what this strange thing is. he showed the the art of brewing coffee.... and the rest of the story we can imagine

          however, i don't know how the turks got the beans in the first place...
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          • #140
            Contrary to the popular impression, coffe is not a new world plant.

            It actually originated from a region called "Kaffa" in Ethiopia, Africa, from the inhabitants of where the Arab merchants of Yemen took the plant and used it as a hot beverage, centuries before the journey of Columbus. It was in the Ottoman Empire that the Turks developed the particular method of brewing coffee, in an evolution from its Arab discoverers, as what is today known as Turkish coffe.

            Europeans knew the existence of coffee in the muslim world, but there wasnt a "popular culture of coffee" until around the time of Turkish defeat before the walls of Vienna, as sabrewolf correctly refers. Europeans grasped the full commercial value of coffee only in the 18th century, when they realised that actually the climate of South America is particularly good for coffee growing, so they actually brought the plant to plantations in South America, and so we have Nescafe.

            I'm not sure about cocoa though. Actually it might be cocoa instead of coffee that originated from S. America
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            • #141
              wow, thank's for that detailed explanaition

              btw: interesting to see a turkish flag on someone who lives in greece sure you won't get lynched by some guys around here?
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              • #142
                Originally posted by sabrewolf

                btw: interesting to see a turkish flag on someone who lives in greece sure you won't get lynched by some guys around here?

                Oh no, actually I quite like the place.

                The fact is that Turks and Greeks get along so well, despite the stereotype to the contrary. At least, this has been my experience as well as any other Turkish guy that I know to have met Greeks
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                • #143
                  I'm not sure about cocoa though. Actually it might be cocoa instead of coffee that originated from S. America
                  Ancryean, if you're wondering, cacao (the bean used for chocolate) originated from Mexico and Central America. The cacao was used by the Aztecs for a beverage known as "Chocolatl", which we now know as "Chocolate" .
                  "When we begin to regulate, there is naming,
                  but when there has been naming
                  we should also know when to stop.
                  Only by knowing when to stop can we avoid danger." - Lao-zi, the "Dao-de-jing"

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                  • #144
                    Thanks Azeem, I didnt know about the Aztec connection which makes me think, given the essentiality of chocolate, I guess they should at least name one of the Aztec cities in Civ3 "Chocolatl"
                    "Common sense is as rare as genius" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                    • #145
                      I duble checked about coffee in my britannica.

                      I admit that I have been wrong about the origins of coffee


                      my apologies
                      Anaton (aka The Ancient One)
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                      • #146
                        New off-Topic thread

                        I have opened a new off-topic thread named "Salonika"(too bored to post a direct link).



                        I publicly accuse Ancyrean of being a DL(of a non-turk propably). MOST turks that i have met in this Forum are Settlers with a max of three posts. Their only posts are those argueing with me in various threads. No one has ever posted in a "purely" game thread.

                        If Ancyrean is really from Thessaloniki he can PM me his exact address as i too am from Thessaloniki. Do not worry i will come to your house and burn it or leave threatening notes. I just want to verify if you truly are who you say you are.


                        I strongly doubt it, however.
                        "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                        All those who want to die, follow me!
                        Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                        • #147
                          I have opened a new off-topic thread named "Salonika"(too bored to post a direct link).


                          Here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...88#post1721253


                          Pozdrav iz Hrvatske Cvetin

                          If you have time (and nerve ) to discuss Macedonian issues and Greek 'ideas' about Macedonia, you should visit Off Topic forum.

                          There are many Greeks on this forum, so you can imagine these discussions spring up quite regularly. Your contribution would be welcome (by me at least ).

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                          • #148
                            Hmmm...

                            I am the only Greek as far as i know.



                            It is alright you discuss "Macedonian" issues as long you do not do it in some obsure slavic language.


                            thanks for posting the link.
                            "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                            All those who want to die, follow me!
                            Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                            • #149
                              Originally posted by Azeem


                              Ancryean, if you're wondering, cacao (the bean used for chocolate) originated from Mexico and Central America. The cacao was used by the Aztecs for a beverage known as "Chocolatl", which we now know as "Chocolate" .
                              Also, it was flavored with vanilla, a native orchid.

                              I've put all three (vanilla, cocoa, and coffee) as luxury resources in a mod I'm working on.
                              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                              • #150
                                Re: New off-Topic thread

                                Originally posted by Palaiologos

                                I publicly accuse Ancyrean of being a DL(of a non-turk propably).

                                To give you a clue, this morning it snowed slightly in town and people I know were complaining it got this cold...Not as bad as last year though, it snowed so unusually heavy last year, Thes/niki was all in white for a couple of days, they told me it was for the first time it snowed like this in quite some years Also a small detail, also this morning I saw passing by the Exhibition area, one of the Greek flags at the enterance of the area broke free from its mast in one corner because of heavy wind I guess, unless they are quick to fix it, it can fly free in the next strong wind. I think this can make up for my adress...I apologise for taking up space here with this but I guess I'm still within the confines of the title of this thread

                                MOST turks that i have met in this Forum are Settlers with a max of three posts.
                                This much is true, I still have a few postings as of now
                                "Common sense is as rare as genius" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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