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Originally posted by Asterothe
You are pathetic.
You are pathetic.
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More pathetic is to recall a city to an ugly name like "Famagusta" in the middle of the XX century with an illegal occupation.
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Re: For the Greeks
Macedonia?Originally posted by Cvetin
Greetings from Macedonia
Ah! Vardaria!!
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I would like to respond to that remark about N. Americans not having any idea about national animosities......First, I will agree that most of us have no idea about such animosity. We live in a land of peace, with the last war being waged intracontinentally being the War of 1812. Despite political and social differences, America and Canada are friends.
Frankly, most of us can't understand why in the world you people fight and argue over reasons that occured much too long ago. Put aside your differences. As much as I wish Canada had Alaska (our map looks odd without it), or that previous PMs hadn't sold out to american capitalism, I don't hate them for it.
Yes, the problems we've had were quite less severe than between Greece and Turkey, but....so what? Stop punishing people for what their forefathers did. To relate to LotR, Aragorn is Isildur's heir, not Isildur himself. He does not have the same weakness, the same evil. The same is about the Turks and Greeks.
And BTW, though I'm not Bulgarian myself, my baba and dedo were....moved to Canada not much after WWI.
I don't know many words though...I forget them at the moment, but I know them.
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Well said, Switch.
"When we begin to regulate, there is naming,
but when there has been naming
we should also know when to stop.
Only by knowing when to stop can we avoid danger." - Lao-zi, the "Dao-de-jing"Comment
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Do you really consider that LoR argument as a serious one?
And i really do not think that 1974AD and 1996AD (Turkey came close to war with Greece) are that long ago...."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Moreover the Turkish strategical goals have not changed since the early 20th century-i.e control of the Aegean.
Because war has occured quite often between the two nations(in any political form-from Byzantine Empire and the Ottomans to modern Greece and Turkey), animosity has arisen. There is no animosity in the genes of the Turks and Greeks, but as long as somebody wants something the other has, animosity will continue. The Mongols for example were far more brutal and barbaric than the Turks, but were Byzantium's closest allies simply because their strategical interests were the same.
And BTW that argument about Canada and the USA is at best, naive.
The USA have not waged genocidal wars against Canada, nor have they driven from their homes millions of people-homes they had founded more than 3.000 yeas ago."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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No, they haven't. But settlers (that called themselves "Americans") have done such things to the Native Americans. Despite that, there still is somewhat of a "healing" process going on and campaigns for reconciliation.The USA have not waged genocidal wars against Canada, nor have they driven from their homes millions of people-homes they had founded more than 3.000 yeas ago."When we begin to regulate, there is naming,
but when there has been naming
we should also know when to stop.
Only by knowing when to stop can we avoid danger." - Lao-zi, the "Dao-de-jing"Comment
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First, I wasn't using the LotR thing as an argument. It just said best what I meant (blame people for their mistakes, not their ancestors).
But, since it seems that the animosity isn't based on heritage, but more on one country wanting what the other one has....well, that just moreso increases my belief that most politicians are childish at best.
And then to put a hatred against a whole country for what their leaders decide...Frankly, during WW1, the soldiers had the right idea. Despite the war being waged by their leaders, at Christmas time they sat down and even traded Christmas gifts. THat is true humanity.
Yes, I may be naive, but I'm quite thankful for the fact that I haven't learned otherwise firsthand. What a life it must be to live with a hatred against a whole other nation and culture
Forget our differences, and let's just
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you are ant turkjack assComment
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what the hell is with you Palaiologos?Comment
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"Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity.
Calculate what we will or will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen
And we're sinking deeper."
If Greece can hate turk... holy ****, Native-amerindians got to hate us so much.... and palestinian got to hate Israel, Ireland got to hate British, me I got to hate many people, like my ex-girlfriend...
and all over the world, people got to hate eachother.
I can understand what you said Palaiologos but, I cannot agree with you...
Anyone seen the movie "Bowling for Columbine" by Michael Moore?blehComment
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No more fight on this subject.Comment
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Originally posted by Turk Man
you are ant turkjack ass
I am glad that sound arguments have finally entered this conversation."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Originally posted by Switch
First, I wasn't using the LotR thing as an argument. It just said best what I meant (blame people for their mistakes, not their ancestors).
But, since it seems that the animosity isn't based on heritage, but more on one country wanting what the other one has....well, that just moreso increases my belief that most politicians are childish at best.
And then to put a hatred against a whole country for what their leaders decide...Frankly, during WW1, the soldiers had the right idea. Despite the war being waged by their leaders, at Christmas time they sat down and even traded Christmas gifts. THat is true humanity.
Yes, I may be naive, but I'm quite thankful for the fact that I haven't learned otherwise firsthand. What a life it must be to live with a hatred against a whole other nation and culture
Forget our differences, and let's just !
Look, i agree with you. I too would like to live in a country like Canada or Iceland where everything is peaceful(Or Saudi Arabia-no taxes!) but i do not.
Instead i live in a country surrounded unfortunately by hostile neighbores throughout its history, a country that its very independance is at stake.
Plus, i think that the Greeks hate the turks more than the Turks hate them because it is the Greeks who are the weakest.
That sort of "It is the evil leaders, not the people" arguments have been popular in greece lately, among the politicians. They could not be more wrong. It was not the officers of the Turkish army, but the troopers and civilians that performed the atrocities of 1922. Even if a direct order was given to eliminate all greeks and armenians, the pleasure with which that was executed and the lack of qualms about it, leaves no doubt as to the true feelings of the "average" Turk."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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