Glory of War - correspondence & foreign affairs

[Sharpe]

Regarding the GoW mapping of our continent. We should strongly consider asking GoW whether they have traded their world map to RP (especially after they started scouting our coast) - and perhaps alert them about the RP galley.

If RP does have our map, that galley is very suspicious... especially as it is ideally located to head towards us.

If RP doesn't have our map or an incomplete map, we should strongly remind RP about making no landings by military units or settlers and workers on our continent (especially as we haven't attempted to land on Bob at all during the game - and of course RP wants to keep us happy ... )

[Sharpe]

Have we done anything yet about inquiring from GoW whether they have recently traded their world map to RP?

My suspicions are even more aroused than that galley than by their request to send ships to scout our coastline...

[ZargonX]

Ok, I am back at work now, so I have some internet access until I get my home connection tomorrow I will catch up with GoW and see if I can get any info about map trades. I know RP has a portion of the map, but I'll see if I can ascertain how much.

[vondrack]

A brief note from Master Zen:

Hello vondrack,

I would just like to reasurre you and your team that the war we are undertaking against Roleplay in no way will interfere with any deals we have made, or were planning on making, with your team. We continue to hold our relationship with Lego as most valuable and hope it gets stronger as time passes.

Anyway, feel free to contact us for anything, we would like to have a small chat with you or someone else on your team so as to keep you in the loop of what's happening. You must understand that for security reasons we were unable to disclose our actions until now.

May the Warmonger Spirit guide us to victory, and may our two teams continue with the great frienship we have forged.

Best Regards
-Master Zen
Consul of Foreign Affairs

This is a very good sign, I believe - they would not bother to 'reassure' us if we were not truly important for them. I am going to respond with kind words and bring the Astro/Inv deal a bit... at least trying to find out what their ETA on Invention currently is.

[vondrack]

My response:

Hello Master Zen,

Thank you for your kind note - we have been expecting an attack at the empire of Spain for several turns, so the news today have not surprised us. The only thing we were not reasonably sure about was whether GoW would join ND or stay out of the conflict... which is no longer a mystery.

I think I am speaking for the whole of my team when I say that your involvement in this war will certainly NOT affect our relations and future trades.

Actually - allow me to use this opportunity to bring back a trade proposal briefly discussed some time ago... We assume you are or will soon start researching Invention (because of the Leo's Workshop you once indicated you would like to build in Imperial City). If that is correct, we would be interested in trading for it. We are currently researching Astronomy, so that would be our part of the deal. As the research costs differ notably, we would appreciate some modest extra to balance the trade at least a little bit - feel free to offer whatever you believe you could miss.

Wish you good luck in your endeavours,
vondrack, the FAM of legoland

[vondrack]

And MZ's response:

Hello once again, vondrack.

Thank you for your prompt reply. We will try and keep Lego informed of the situation as it develops, if you have any questions regarding the war don't hesitate to ask any of us. We hope the war will be quick but we do not underestimate our enemy. Roleplay is a strong and determined team and will fight to the death.

We had discussed the Astronomy-Invention deal with Zargon in the past I believe. We had "informally" agreed to it in principle, and I am sure that our stand has not changed. All we need to work out is the extra to balance the trade but in essense I believe our team will agree to such a trade. Perhaps some captured RP luxes could balance it out...

Regards
-MZ

I will respond very briefly telling them to get back to us once they have an idea about the balance (though I am going to note that if they take too long to finalize the deal, we reserve the right to look for another seller, too). And I will ask for the ETA.

[vondrack]

Here:

Hello, Master Zen!

No problem, a luxury would be a good balance, I think (come to think of it, I believe you'll always have at least one luxury we will not have - wines, so that one would be safe to include). Be so kind and get back to us once you have an idea about the balance. Though... we'd appreciate if it's possible to finalize the deal in the foreseeable future - deals that are "informally agreed to" may sometime take rather unfortunate turns, exactly because they're not finalized and the parties involved have slightly different understandings what they "informally agreed to" (just remeber what happened to our Theo+Edu for Feu+Chiv deal... that was one such "informally agreed to" deal - and still...).

Anyway - can you give us at least an approximation of the Invention ETA? We should be done with Astronomy within 15 turns.

Best regards,
vondrack

[vondrack]

Quick note from Hot Enamel:

Hey,

Just a quick question while I am on-line.
How far away are you from finishing the Sistine Chapel ?

We want to switch Imperial City over to it as a prebuild, but dont want to find ourselves screwed, if you all of a sudden finish it.

It goes without saying, that I or any member of the GoW will not reveal such information to any other team.

Regs

Hot_Enamel

I responded promptly, saying we had no problem with them using the Sistine's as a prebuild. I promised to give them a 3-turn advance notice (as if there was a chance that we could finish the Sistine's before they finish Leo's... ).

[ZargonX]

And the deal wheels are in motion...

ZargonX> Master Zen, might I borrow you for a moment?
ZargonX> I'd like to discuss our future tech deal
MasterZen> ah yes
MasterZen> Astro for Invention?
ZargonX> yes
MasterZen> we're up for it
ZargonX> You might recall we said we'd need something to balance out the beaker difference...
MasterZen> yes
ZargonX> and we were thinking 40 gold would work for us
ZargonX> how does that figure strike you?
MasterZen> 40g sounds reasonable
MasterZen> let me discuss it with my warmonger buddies
ZargonX> Of course
MasterZen> or we could send you the head of any roleplayer you want
ZargonX> heh, I have been looking for a new paperweight...
MasterZen> hehehe
ZargonX> How goes things on the warfront? (I understand if you can't answer that
MasterZen> btw. vondrack had discussed something with H_E about gifting us Music Theory for the prebuild
MasterZen> well the war goes well, we'll be in attack position next turn. So far no combat
ZargonX> Guess your Riders are feeling good to finally get out in the open field of war, eh?
MasterZen> yes, mobility will be the key
ZargonX> isn't it always, though
ZargonX> Anyway, I'm off to sleep
ZargonX> I'll PM you a draft of the agreement, and you can check with your team
MasterZen> ok cool
ZargonX> Always a pleasure!

So, the deal seems to be in good shape. And, if what MZ says is true, the war will begin for real this coming turn...

As for the Music Theory thing, uh, Vondrack? Did you forget to tell us something or is this just crazy miscommunication?

[vondrack]

Originally posted by ZargonX
As for the Music Theory thing, uh, Vondrack? Did you forget to tell us something or is this just crazy miscommunication?

You can safely ignore that. Hot Enamel approached me and asked for the permission to use the Sistine's Chapel as an interim prebuild for their Leo's build in Imperial City. I told him it was okay and that we'd give a 3 turn warning. But he asked for an assurance that we would not finish Sistine's in Legopolis within ~20 turns (it was understandable - a 3-turn warning would help them little, which I did not realize). I did not want to give such an assurance, as he could have figured out we were not going for the Sistine's, but for something else - and I would rather surprise everybody than have this bit of info as a public knowledge...

So: I gave him my word that if they have a problem of lacking wonders to be used as an interim prebuild for the Leo's Workshop, we'd give them Music Theory for free. As this will never happen (nobody, the least us, is going to finish the Sistine's before GoW finishes the Leo's), it is as if I promised nothing.

Sorry for forgetting to post this.

[vondrack]

OK, I want to post this up before going to bed:

Session Start: Mon Jul 21 23:53:40 2003
Session Ident: Donegeal
vondrack: hello!
Donegeal: Hello sir
vondrack: what's up?
Donegeal: I see you got my message
vondrack: yup, I did - I have already responded (that I would hang out in here)
Donegeal: Some very interesting time us GoW live in...
vondrack: all of us...
vondrack: will anyone else be joining us?
Donegeal: yes... it is all of us... that is why I wanted to talk to you.
vondrack: ok, go ahead
Donegeal: MZ is online but I don't see him anywhere
Donegeal: OK.... I again do not speak for all of GoW, but I just wanted to talk to you about something.
vondrack: ok, understood
Donegeal: The Great Bobian War is young... hell, it hasn't even started yet really... but RP has made a brilliant stratigical move.
vondrack: oh? what kind of a brilliant move?
Donegeal: Yeas... no units have attacked each other yet so no casulties or nothing... just a lot of positioning.
Donegeal: RP realized that they were screwed....
Donegeal: Not actually defeated yet, but screwed.
vondrack: hmmm... everybody else has been aware of that for some time, I think...
vondrack: they overstretched out of pure greed
Donegeal: Now, I'm sure that they talked to you, and you do not want to reveal any info to me, and you do a good job at that, but...
Donegeal: They talked to you A LOT....
Donegeal: They talked to everybody alot...
vondrack: that's not exactly true if we are talking about last days
Donegeal: (Lawyers... what are you going to do?
vondrack: they did try to talk to us, but not very vigorously
vondrack: asked for help
Donegeal: they also talked to GS...
vondrack: proposed some rather unique ideas
Donegeal: GS bit.
vondrack: ok, go ahead
Donegeal: yeah... dire situations produce dire ideas...
Donegeal: they gifted GS two cities on Bob.
vondrack: heh
vondrack: so GS took it
vondrack: we refused
Donegeal: yeah....
Donegeal: I figured they went to you first...
vondrack: but then, GS is (probably?) not bound by any treaty
vondrack: yes, they offered two cities of theirs
Donegeal: no... they are not.
vondrack: we told them plainly we would be breaking promises
vondrack: and that we would not go for that
vondrack: they have been apparently more successful with GS
Donegeal: However... the reason I wanted to tell you is because of the implications for Lego...
Donegeal: have you looked at the historygraph lately?
vondrack: last time last turn, I believe

changed rooms here...

Donegeal: here is what I've told him...
MasterZen: in a nutshell we're in deep ****
Donegeal: GS has two cities on Bob
Donegeal: Lego turned down the offer.
Donegeal: thats as far as we got
vondrack: yep
MasterZen: ah so they offered them to you too?
vondrack: yes, they did
MasterZen: hmm... we would have rather you'd accept them instead of GS
MasterZen: could have probably worked something out..
vondrack: we were not free to - a treaty obliges us to stay out of Bob
MasterZen: we don't feel like making GS stronger than they already are...
Donegeal: GS is dangerous....strat guys... all of them...
Donegeal: back to where I was...
vondrack: GS is dangerous because of their military, not because of that they are strat guys...
MasterZen: it's not like they're invincible, it's just like they're like the Real Madrid of PTWDG team. To beat Real you have to play flawlessly.
vondrack: true
MasterZen: but they are not unbeatable, that's for sure
Donegeal: what would lego think of GS getting a foothold on Bob?
MasterZen: look at this scenario:
vondrack: hmph... do you think we are happy about that?
vondrack: (actually, I am speaking for myself only ATM)
MasterZen: GS has assured us that if we don't attack them, they won't attack us
MasterZen: so, let's say GoW pursues RP to the end
MasterZen: RP falls back and keeps gifting cities
MasterZen: in the end, RP territory (half of bob) falls in GS hands
MasterZen: not a nice scenario for anyone
Donegeal: cept GS...
vondrack: agreed
MasterZen: of course
Donegeal: I don't want GS to win.
MasterZen: me neither
vondrack:
MasterZen: honestly, and this is between us, I would be quite willing to sacrifice GoW for Lego to win instead of GS
Donegeal: um... yep.
MasterZen: that's just me though of course
vondrack: dunno what to say now... you sort of stunned me
Donegeal: ... Vond... I REALLY don't want them to win...
MasterZen: but that I mean right now we're treading on thin ice
vondrack: nobody wants them to win
Donegeal: all those strat guys would get even bigger heads!
MasterZen: we'll still fight RP but we have to careful not to step on the minefields GS is planting
MasterZen: we also will not tolerate if they attack ND
MasterZen: I have made that perfectly clear to nye
vondrack: did you make it clear that this "city gifts" are actually a trick you do not like?
MasterZen: yep
MasterZen: btw, to don: I had a small quick chat with nye a few minutes ago
Donegeal: I was wondering where you were...
MasterZen: not much, just expressing my displeasure
MasterZen: and assuring that we wouldn't attack each other
Donegeal: can I go do the same!!!!????
MasterZen: well, he're the deal vond
MasterZen: like I said, we're trying not to step on the landmines
MasterZen: but if Lego would perhaps be willing to intervene, we will
MasterZen: and like I said, unlike RP, we will fight to the death so that GS does not control Bob. ND will also.
vondrack: MZ, honestly - we are in no shape to intervene anywhere. Our military is mostly defensive (mercs).
MasterZen: and if this ends up turning into a Lego vs GS affair over who wins this game, we support Lego.
vondrack: and we have almost no navy (2 galleys)
vondrack: quite frankly, we need time
vondrack: let me speak for a minute here, ok?
MasterZen: yes, go ahead
vondrack: first: I (we) are just as keen on beating GS as you are
vondrack: second: GS played a very strong opening game
vondrack: their land is used almost to the full potential
vondrack: I estimate that their economy is about 30% stronger than ours
vondrack: and ours is at least that much stronger compared to anyone's else (you, RP, ND)
vondrack: so there is a huge gap ATM
vondrack: fortunately, GS has a problem
vondrack: their land is too small
vondrack: while we are going to grow steadily, they cannot
vondrack: or not equally
vondrack: the more time we have, the better
MasterZen: true. Although good starts tend to have a multiplier effect
vondrack: multiplier effect?
vondrack: like for GS? or for us?
MasterZen: yes, a good start tends to give better results in the long run than a bad start made good later
MasterZen: for GS
Donegeal: I see where you are going Vond...
Donegeal: with GS on Bob, that changes the land and time deal...
vondrack: right
vondrack: btw - we will be happy to trade dyes for wines in less than 10 turns
MasterZen: cool
Donegeal: everyone wants GoW liquer!
vondrack: so, to make the long story short... at this moment and for the foreseeable future
vondrack: we need to be left alone to our building
vondrack: that is the way to get an edge over GS
Donegeal: I thought so...
vondrack: right now, we would not be able to make any real difference
vondrack: we can support you with techs, maybe gold
vondrack: but military would be just waste of resources
vondrack: mercs are less stellar than 1500 years ago
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vondrack: these days
MasterZen: still better than pikes
Donegeal: But if you boasted, it would make GS pull back.
vondrack: seeing GF coming in... do I have to worry about this chat EVER being referenced in the public forum?
MasterZen: yes, perhaps a little diplomatic arm-twisting...
MasterZen: hehe, no
Donegeal: do you hold an office in Lego any more?
vondrack: FAM
vondrack: but right now, I am not acting as the Lego FAM
vondrack: if I was to, I would have to tell you I have to take it to my team first
vondrack: I am talking on private level now only
Donegeal: Lego no longer has the luxury of sitting back and slowly overtake GS.
vondrack: so... back to the topic
vondrack: do you and ND have NAPs with GS?
MasterZen: we have assurances of no war between us
vondrack: and ND?
MasterZen: I don't think so
Donegeal: We cannot tolerate GS cities on Bob.
MasterZen: then again, assurances can be broken, you know...
vondrack: GS will not break them - especially if they are written
MasterZen: damn, you know, you should have come up to us
MasterZen: when RP offered the cities
MasterZen: we would have much rather you guys took em...
* vondrack sighs
MasterZen: nothing is written with GS, btw, that's what worries us
Donegeal: we'da let you keep'em...
MasterZen: yep
MasterZen: most likely worked something out
Donegeal: we still can...
MasterZen: rule #1 when someone offers you cites, TAKE 'EM DAMMIT!!... hahaha
vondrack: I would not really consider kosher to accept cities from RP just to "work something out with you" - that's too much of an "evil plan" for me
Donegeal: hehehehe
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MasterZen: hahaha
Donegeal: we still can work something out...
MasterZen: evil plans are fun
vondrack: give me a second, I will load the last savegame up
vondrack: alright - so what did RPers gift to GS?
MasterZen: Santiago and Bilbao
MasterZen: Bilbao was our target for this turn. We would have taken it
vondrack: yeah... that's probably why they gifted it
MasterZen: yep
vondrack: hm, that was a smart move... they narrowed the front big time
MasterZen: huge time...
vondrack: have you or ND triggered your GA?
Donegeal: not yet.
vondrack: have you considered pulling back?
Donegeal: If we pull back GS gets a bigger hold on Bob...
MasterZen: hmm...
MasterZen: maybe not
Donegeal: GS must stay off bob. If they get on, they win the game.
vondrack: agreed
MasterZen: RP will surely just gift them cities once we get close to them
vondrack: that's why I am asking about pulling back
vondrack: just thinking aloud....
Donegeal: and leave GS cities on Bob? No
vondrack: well, the way I see it - once you attack the new GS cities, they will use that as a perfect excuse to invade
MasterZen: I'm honestly trying to figure out if pulling back would be best... but I have my doubts
Donegeal: we all know the GS has the biggest army...
vondrack: by a considerable margin, yes
Donegeal: If GS gets on Bob, they can win by domination.
Donegeal: they are coming anyway
vondrack: true, just a matter of time
Donegeal: they won't come so hard if they think you are on our side.
vondrack: btw - do you have both strategic resources secured?
vondrack: we could provide them, if not
vondrack: in those ~10 turns we need to finish Astro
Donegeal: if they don't come so hard... ND-GoW can stop them.
Donegeal: RP will be quick work.
MasterZen: RP is no match for us
MasterZen: but if GS moves its army in... then things even up
MasterZen: plus, we have no way of invading them
vondrack: hm, I think that's what GS wants - to even things up
vondrack: they expressed concerns about 2-civ Bob in the past (numerous times)
Donegeal: If GS comes with no fear of Lego comming from the west... then we can't stop them.
Donegeal: If we don't get you on our side, it could well be a one civ Bob!!!!
* Donegeal wonders where the "All Seeing Eye" is...
vondrack: right, I see where all this is going... and I understand - we (Lego) need to make it clear that any extensive GS involvement in your war will push us to your camp
vondrack: this is something I have to consult with my team before actually doing so
Donegeal: yes... and GS will talk big and tough. Ignore it. GS CANNOT beat a Lego-GoW-ND team.
Donegeal: most definitely....
vondrack: I will post about it in our forum and see what happens - I assume that others will agree, too
Donegeal: FYI... ND already agrees.
vondrack: we are reasonably confident of beating GS in a peaceful way, if we stay on Legos Major and they stay on Stormia
vondrack: if they expand, things would change
vondrack: agrees to what?
Donegeal: That Lego-ND-GoW could not be stopped.
Donegeal: when I was explaining what a World War like this could turn into looked like...
vondrack: I meant others = other Legos... as in that we have to exert diplomatic pressure on GS
Donegeal: its pretty obvious that GS could not win.
vondrack: yeah, so no surprise they are trying to escape their "golden cage"
Donegeal: Diplomatic pressure won't be enough.
MasterZen: well we have to take it little by little
vondrack: as I said - at this moment, there is little we can do, but the diplomatic pressure
Donegeal: by all means...
Donegeal: they don't know that!
MasterZen: I for one would welcome strong words by Lego against the GS
Donegeal: You guys beat the experts in building a Wonder! They alread look on you cautiously!
vondrack: well... that (Pyramids) is actually distorting the picture ATM
vondrack: they are way ahead of us as far as economy & military is concerned
MasterZen: the ND-GoW-Lego alliance. Don't **** wit us.
MasterZen: you are the economy behind it, we provide the raw brute power.
Donegeal: Its not the effect that matters... Its just that you beat them!

[vondrack]

Part II:

vondrack: well - for this moment:
vondrack: I will talk to my teammates
vondrack: we will (hopefully) agree to make it clear to GS
vondrack: that if they mess with the Bobian War 2 any more
vondrack: we will have no choice but to side with you and ND
Donegeal: That is all I can ask. ND will hold the save until we get back to them.
MasterZen: that's good enough for us at this moment.
vondrack: to keep the balance of power
MasterZen: if your team could agree to that, we'd be eternally please and would forever consider Lego an ally.
Donegeal: they won't give up the Bobian cities.
vondrack: I do not think it would be very wise to attack their (GS) cities at this moment
vondrack: can you go around them?
Donegeal: It would be more unwise later.
MasterZen: I think attacking GS must be seriously debated first.
vondrack: well, guys, it is simple - you attack, you fight GS. NOW.
vondrack: their 'code of honour' would be unlikely to put up with you taking their cities
MasterZen: of course not
vondrack: UNARMED cities...
Donegeal: If we don't attack the GS cities THIS TURN, then they can rush buy units.
Donegeal: They WILL NOT leave unless we make them this turn. Our winpow of oppertunity is small.
Donegeal: er... window...
vondrack: if you believe so... that is up to you to decide - but I have to make clear we are NOT in a position to help you militarily within the next at least 20-30 turns
Donegeal: fine... but if GS thinks you are...
MasterZen: winpow... that's more Warmongerian for ya
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Donegeal: say GS has 10 units it can land on BoB. If they think that Lego could get them at their back, they would only land 5 so they can defend themselves froma percieved threat.
Panzer32: pwd anyone?
vondrack: any more members in your team? where is Hot Enamel?
Donegeal: sleeping...
* MasterZen sets mode: +k IhateGS
Donegeal: hehehe
Panzer32: so hows the chat going? Have we gotten anywhere?
Donegeal: yes... and no...
Donegeal: Lego sees the dire position of everyteam on the planet... but can't attack anything.
vondrack: have you asked GS to (not) do anything?
vondrack: tried to strike any deals?
vondrack: like - leave the cities undefended and we will not attack?
Donegeal: Oh, yes... they would prefer to do nothing.
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Donegeal: If we do nothing, then they get to keep their foothold on Bob. the ONLY team that would benifit from that is GS.
vondrack: right - the other option is: attack, take the cities -> fight GS. NOW. (at least that seems obvious to me)
vondrack: just a second
Donegeal: yep... I think thats the only option.
vondrack: when RPers offered us the cities, they made it clear that they would want them back after the war
vondrack: so, what if this war ended... hmm...
Donegeal: This war will end without RP.
MasterZen: it would just make RP stronger in the long run. That is even more unacceptable.
vondrack: and leaving RP be and attacking GS instead?
Donegeal: No... keeping GS off bob and killing RP.
vondrack: sorry if I seem talking nonsense - trying to brainstorm
Donegeal: We would need you to "distract" GS to make it eaiser.
vondrack: how do you want to keep GS off Bob?
vondrack: we do not even have a way to get over the ocean to Stormia
vondrack: not until Navigation
Donegeal: if GS has to worry about you, they cannot concentrate on Bob.
Donegeal: With you on our side, GS hase to fight a two front war.
vondrack: not true
vondrack: the only way for us to them is through Bob
vondrack: or around Bob
Donegeal: I don't have the save up...
vondrack: I am just looking at the map...
Donegeal: how many tiles is the gap?
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vondrack: 6 ocean tiles at the narrowest point
Donegeal: ouch..
vondrack: that's what I am telling you all the time...
Donegeal: and in ten turns you can traverse sea tiles, right?
vondrack: yes, sea tiles
Panzer32: use the poles!! oh thats civ2
MasterZen: hahaha
vondrack: GS is smart... they did what they did 'cause they figured out they do not have to care about us...
vondrack: and they were right...
Donegeal: The polish aren't in this game.
vondrack: LoL
vondrack: another crazy idea... assume you take their cities and they invade... where (probably)?
vondrack: Port Isolation - Shantung area?
Donegeal: Port Isolation most likely.
Donegeal: or even Dreadnautica...
MasterZen: they have the naval power to attack at will where they please
Panzer32: just looked at the map, and they could JUST squeak by Port Isolation to the north without being detected
vondrack: I am getting short of ideas... it's 1:30am here...
vondrack: all I am sure about is that we do not wish GS to gain any solid beachhead on Bob
vondrack: but I am, at this moment, unsure how to prevent that
Donegeal: Like MZ and I said before, we would rather Lego win then GS. I will try to convince GoW to help lego defeat GS...
vondrack: ummm... isn't almost the whole GoW team here?
Donegeal: yep...
Panzer32:
Panzer32: Go Legoland!
MasterZen: besides H_E there's no other active member missing
vondrack:
vondrack: guys - either way I am looking at it, I cannot see a "fine" solution right now. But it may be because it's late.
vondrack: I will post in our forum
vondrack: and see what others have to say
vondrack: could we continue this tomorrow?
Donegeal: As a member of GoW, I pledge my support to Lego in the overall game.
vondrack: for the moment:
vondrack: 1) I was speaking privately, though in good faith
vondrack: 2) we are certainly worried about GS gaining a foothold on Bob
vondrack: 3) we are not in a position to threaten them militarily
vondrack: 4) we ARE in a position to exert diplomatic and economic pressure on them
vondrack: which is what we will most likely do within 48 hours
vondrack: 5) from our PoV, what we need most is time
vondrack: as time passes, we will grow stronger and stronger, catching up on GS
vondrack: (at least that's what we believe)
Donegeal: Time will no longer help you. GS will grow on Bob. They now have more room than everybody.
vondrack: "Attacking" them now will not help us either.
vondrack: our galley is ~15 turns from the Bilbao area
vondrack: the other one ~20 or more
vondrack: no more galleys
vondrack: so - how could time not help us?
Donegeal: in 15 to 20 turns, GS could have 1/3 of bob.
vondrack: ummmm... are you that weak?
Donegeal: no... GS is that strong
vondrack: because... if you focus on GS, I would expect RPers to help them (GS) little to not at all
Donegeal: you are right, but RPers will came after us.
Donegeal: see what you can do on your forum.. I don't think much else can be done right now.
MasterZen: yes, if you can at least exert diplomatic pressure, that would be great
vondrack: yeah, agreed
MasterZen: we can surely think of something vile and dastardly to do meanwhile
MasterZen: but I would suggest you guys start building up...
vondrack: ummm... and what do you think we have been doing since turn 1?
Panzer32:
Donegeal: remember that library joke Uber told...
Panzer32: clearing jungle?
vondrack: yep, too
vondrack: @D: yeah... my favourite )
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vondrack: ok, guys... do you mind if I post most of this chat in our forum? or shall I make a summary only?
Panzer32: go ahead
MasterZen: post it all...
vondrack: ok, will do
Donegeal: Wifey is home... time to go.
vondrack: for this moment - thanks for the chat and see you soon.
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vondrack: good night, everybody!
Session Close: Tue Jul 22 01:57:04 2003

I am too tired to comment - will do so tomorrow.

[ZargonX]

Brief message: Things are reaching a critical point in the game; I'd like us to try and have a team chat so we can actually talk these things out. Can everyone post when is good for them within the next 24-48 hours?

[Sharpe]

Anytime after 7 or 7:30 pm Eastern (think that is around 000 GMT ? - 5 hours difference?)

[lmtoops]

Definitely a critical point. As Vondrack pointed out, in the short term we cannot get involved militarily (is this a word??). But do we change our long term plans. This is a situation where the goverment would get a think tank involved.

Our whole military strategy is based on an effective defense and counter attack on Legoland soil. Do we change this to something else? Does GS power move onto Bob warrant a change in long term strategy.

A chat is definitely in order. Sharpe's time is best for me also. Please let me know the chat location (if it take place). I've had trouble in the past getting in (to the point where I just gave up). I very slow of thought, so I need detail instructions (1. sit down, 2. Turn on Computer......)

Leo