The Infotrader/Infiltrator Network - Diplomacy plug-in

[GeoModder]

Post it as it is...

[Mart]

Posted. Now only wait for their answer

[ForesterSOF]

Maybe we will get a responce that will finally put this to bed.

[Method]

Changed the word "Diplomaty" to "Diplomacy" in the topic

[Mart]

There is answer from Gaians. It appears that we may be very close to an agreement. This is from Illuminatus:

To answer your points: 1. Sparta refused to add any incentives when we asked them. They explicitly said they won't add anything. Currently we are looking in the matter of relations, since it seems that something drastically has changed in Spartan faction. However, Spartans were ready to offer you three technologies - we see an opportunity to be examined here. Since time is not urgent yet, we must examine it. We posses both Social Psych and Doctrine: Mobility and we can give both of this technologies to you. We would ask you to try and modify deal Spartans presented to you from Social Psych, Doctrine: Mobility and Doctrine: Flexiblity for Doctrine: Loyalty and attempt to agree to Ethical Calculus and Doctrine: Flexibility for Doctrine: Loyalty - we can give you Social Psych and Doctrine: Mobility. Since you can always return to original deal, there is no harm in attempting to do this - and if you can squeeze out Ethical Calculus, it would be a great boon.

2. For the time being do not reveal our possesion of technology to Sparta - we will reveal themselves the fact when needed. Although you can assure them that you won't trade Doctrine: Loyalty to us ever wink.gif. Seems that they are reviewing their policy towards us, so we will reveal this fact to them later. We are also capable of building CN within one year, but were willing to forfeit it to Spartans if we (you and us) can obtain Calculus and Flexibility. And as long as they think Loyalty can be built only with redirection of your technologies, they will be more willing to give you more - so be careful with revealing this fact. My advice would be to reveal this only when deal has been sealed.

3. We will be in dire need of Ethical Calculus soon, and you know how Ethical Calculus is important for this. Although we don't need it for another 4 or 5 years, it will be needed for us. We won't hide the fact that we will use it to popboom - creating specialists in all bases and boosting our research. However we are well aware of threat Morgan has become, and if you can deny them that project, we wish you luck. PEG will do much good for your faction, and as Spartans are momentum faction and we rely on specialists and cannot run FM, you will do much good with it. However, we plead you to explore any possibility you have to try and persuade Spartans to give you Ethical Calculus in the deal - remember we will be glad to provide you with Social Psych and Doctrine: Mobility so you can ask them to replace this techs with Calculus. Calculus is very important for ours and your future, and it is our priority to get it.

I will prepare a summary soon. I have some idea how all this might work

[Hercules]

This is much more promising. I can go along with this approach and it gets us PEG in the picture. Hey getting ethical calculus ain't bad either.

[GeoModder]

Certainly good with the police ability inherited with it (if I'm not mixing up things at least)

Keep one thing in mind: if successfull this will be the second time that Sparta provided more then we can return. Someone in the other team must keep track of how much we 'own' them... in future we might better offer them a 'better then average return' on occasion.

[GeoModder]

Btw, the Spartans have re-offered their last proposal. They look a bit eager with two 'commanding officers' continuing the conversations...

[Mart]

It seems for me, that Gaians are not able to come to a deal with Spartans. What I have in mind is the following:

To Gaians:

1. Gaians transfer pre-accepted
- Doctrine: Mobility
- Doctrine: Loyality
to Data Angels in year 2148

2. Data Angels exchange:
- Doctrine: Loyality
for:
- Doctrine: Flexibility
- Ethical Calculus
which will be effective in the year 2149

3. Data Angels transfer:
- Doctrine: Flexibility
- Ethical Calculus
to Gaian Union in the year 2153 or earlier. Spartans will be given a condition, that this trade with them can go only if they will not embargo both techs beyond 2153, effectively Gaian Union will receive both techs in 2154 or earlier. Both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus are very valuable and Spartans realize it very well.

4. Very crucial point for us - data Angels also:
If Spartan Federation agrees to trade both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus to Data Angels and forward it to other factions no later than 2153, then Gaian Union forfeits its right to build Command Nexus and allows Spartan Federation to complete this Secret Project.
It is needed for Data Angels to protect our credibility and also good relations with Spartan Federation. We also think that guarantee to Spartan Federation of their completion of Command Nexus may be crucial in obtaining both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus and possibility to forward it to Gaian Union in or before 2153. If we guarantee Command Nexus to Spartans, we will not mention Gaian ability to build it too, but we wish to have your guarantee in return. Data Angels honour is at stake here. Please understand this.

5. We would be interested in exchanging:
- Social Psych
for:
- Technology of choice
with the Gaian Union. We are open for discussion regarding this.

To Spartan Federation:

Our current research agreement with the Gaian Union allows us to receive both Social Psych and Doctrine: Mobility from them. In this case we would like to propose the following changes to an agreement currently being discussed:

1. Data Angels will transfer to Spartan Federation:
- Doctrine Loyality
- A technology of choice (we can decide upon it)
in exchange for:
- Doctrine: Flexibility
- Ethical Calculus

2. Data Angels will allow Spartan Federation to complete Command Nexus. We guarantee that we will not attempt to complete this secret project. We will also not trade Doctrine Loyality to other factions before Spartan Federation builds Command Nexus.

3. Spartan Federation will not embargo both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus. Alternatively these technologies will not be embargoed beyond MY 2153.

We realize that both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus are very valuable technologies, but their exchange for Doctrine: Loyality and a second technology, plus building by Spartan Federation of Command Nexus appears to be in the balance.

We would like to stress, that obtaining from you Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus and not having embargo on them or alternatively not having embargo beyond 2153 is of the most importance to Data Angels.

[Mart]

Originally posted by GeoModder
... in future we might better offer them a 'better then average return' on occasion.

I agree completely. In addition to proposal to Spartans above, we may sweeten the trade with something more. What do you think? What candy we might throw in?

[Hercules]

Yes Mart, send those messages.


Yes in the future when we have some candy like ecs.

I am getting impatient now for VW.

[Mart]

Originally posted by Hercules
I am getting impatient now for VW.

It is almost instabuilt, see the 2141-2150 thread. I have now only a small issue.

[Mart]

I think maybe I will first post to Gaians this message:

To Gaian Union,

Considering your last message, we have come to the following offer. This will allow us also to take from Morgan Industries possibility to build PEG by them. This needs still to be agreed upon with Spartans, but we will conduct talks with them trying to reach agreement as soon as possible.

1. Gaians transfer in year 2148 (the next Gaian turn) pre-accepted
- Doctrine: Mobility
- Doctrine: Loyality
to Data Angels

2. Data Angels exchange with Spartan Federation:
- Doctrine: Loyality
for:
- Doctrine: Flexibility
- Ethical Calculus
which would be effective in the year 2149

3. Data Angels transfer:
- Doctrine: Flexibility
- Ethical Calculus
to Gaian Union in the year 2153 or earlier. Spartans will be given a condition, that this trade with them can go only if they will not embargo both techs beyond 2153, effectively Gaian Union will receive both techs in 2154 or earlier. Both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus are very valuable and Spartans realize it very well. We will try to do our best.

4. Very crucial point for us (Data Angels) also:
If Spartan Federation agrees to trade both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus to Data Angels and forward it to other factions no later than 2153, then Gaian Union forfeits its right to build Command Nexus and allows Spartan Federation to complete this Secret Project.
It is needed for Data Angels to protect our credibility and also good relations with Spartan Federation. We also think that guarantee to Spartan Federation of their completion of Command Nexus may be crucial in obtaining both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus and possibility to forward it to Gaian Union in or before 2153. If we guarantee Command Nexus to Spartans, we will not mention Gaian ability to build it, but we wish to have your guarantee in return. Data Angels honour is at stake here. Please understand this.

5. We would be interested in exchanging:
- Social Psych
for:
- Technology of choice
with the Gaian Union, as you have already proposed. We are open for further discussion regarding this.

[Mart]

Posted. I will work on polishing the Spartan message. I think of adding some more explanations regarding value of the trade. Hopefully it will be accepted by them.

[Mart]

And this is rewritten a bit offer to Spartans:

To Spartan Federation,

Our current research agreement with the Gaian Union allows us to receive both Social Psych and Doctrine: Mobility from them. In fact we have an agreement with Gaian Union in progress, which we would like to complete. In this case we would like to propose the following changes to an agreement currently being discussed with the Spartan Federation:

1. Data Angels will transfer to Spartan Federation:
- Doctrine Loyality
- A technology of choice (we can decide upon it)
in exchange for:
- Doctrine: Flexibility
- Ethical Calculus

2. Data Angels will not interfere in Spartan Federation plans to complete Command Nexus. We guarantee that we will not attempt to complete this secret project. We will also not trade Doctrine Loyality to other factions before Spartan Federation builds Command Nexus.

3. Spartan Federation will not embargo both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus. Alternatively these technologies will not be embargoed beyond MY 2153.

We realize that both Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus are very valuable technologies, but their exchange for Doctrine: Loyality and a second technology, plus our assuring of building by Spartan Federation of Command Nexus appears to be in the balance. However, if Spartan Federation members feel that this trade in the current proposed form is not satisfactory for you, we would like to discuss possible changes. Also, the second technology from Data Angels is not clearly indicated in this proposal and it should be decided by both our sides in order to sufficiently assess the value of this trade.

We would like to stress, that obtaining from you Doctrine: Flexibility and Ethical Calculus and not having embargo on them or alternatively not having embargo beyond 2153 is presently of the most importance to Data Angels. We hope, that Spartan Federation will recognize this offer as beneficial to you.

IT Mart