The Infotrader/Infiltrator Network - Diplomacy plug-in

[ForesterSOF]

I agree since it is only Unofficial at the moment.

[FlameFlash]

Agreed

[Mart]

Originally posted by Hercules
I can agree with this but let us not jeapodise PEG. I don't think anyone knows of our plans for this ...

Actually we already gave them a hint when discussing the deal with Flexibility and Eth Calculus. We sent an explanation for possible change of research switch to other tech than Flexibility. Finally that kinda was forgotten, but if they read carefully old posts they should know it by now. Also their response was positive as for the PEG, they cannot run FM, so they do not care that much about it.

I completely agree. As far as we are concerned that initiative may finally fail in Gaian High Council. I will prepare a note in response that we see that initiative in positive light and await the official proposal from them.

[Hercules]

Alright, I got authorised to the Angels - Gaian private Diplomacy forum at Eventis.

So I am up to date on discussions. And yes The Gaians would be aware of our aspirations to PEG and don't seem concerned.

[Mart]

There is also another issue. As the last message from Illuminatis states, they appear not to be aware, or not conclude the hint, that Spartans do not wish to release Flexibility and Eth Calculus for Loyalty only.

Originally posted by Illuminatus
Sadly I am not surprised that you haven't reached any agreement with them yet. However, remember that you are the only source of Doctrine: Loyalty now for them (unless they risk wrath of Yang - he does have a foothold in their teritory). Some recent communication we had seems to indicate our relations with Spartans improved a bit too, so there is a chance that Sparta will soon abandon their policies. We are grateful for Flexibility - it will enable us to launch more frequent probe attacks against Hive, getting us their technologies and also allow us to divert less resources to the war effort.
Thank you for the information.

I think that would be good to communicate it to them, stating also that we will deliver Ethical Calculus to them as soon as we have it. I will prepare a note and post it here for aproval.

[ForesterSOF]

Diplomaticaly IMHO I feel that strengthening ties with G as much as posible should be one goal along with securing/building/expanding our own land area.

[Mart]

For the placement in Gaian diplomatic channel.

Explaining our technology trade with Spartan Federation we have to inform the Gaian Union that our negotiation did not went very well. Spartans agreed to trade both Doctrine Flexibility and Ethical Calculus without embargos for the price which is presently not acceptable. Also from another point of view, we knew that Doctrine Loyality is not that valuable for them that they might even refuse to release one of these technologies for it. Considering urgency of obtaining Doctrine Flexibility by both our factions we went ahead and traded this technology with Spartans. Presently we consider renegotiating Ethical Calculus with them until we reach mutual acceptable agreement, although we do not exclude other means of acquiring this technology.

According to our agreement we will transfer Ethical Calculus to the Gaian Union as soon as we have it. It is presently one of our top priorities to acquire this technology in the fastest possible way. We do realize that Gaian Union is in need of it. We also feel, that failure to acquire both Flexibility and Ethical Calculus from Spartans is for both our factions unfortunate, though present partial trade have its benefits. These benefits will be also shared by the Gaian Union.
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That would be it. Gaians may feel very dissappointed, but I think this letter is giving them appropriate explanations and should make their "kinda" loss repayed. They counted for getting both Ethical Calculus and Flexibility from Spartans for only Loyality, and we just know Spartans would never do this. Anyway, I think still we have to share benefits we got by possibility to switch to Adaptive Economics with Gaians. Any thoughts, recommendations?

[ForesterSOF]

It sounds like we stay with the G plan and play S by ear.

On another note I would fix the grammar by making went to go

Explaining our technology trade with Spartan Federation we have to inform the Gaian Union that our negotiation did not went very well

[Mart]

Yes, it's obvious... will fix it

[Hercules]

Yeah Ok send it.

I am not sure the Gaians thought that Ethical Calculus was part of our final deal with the Spartans. But worth making it clear I suppose.

[Mart]

Posted. So now we can only wait if Gaians will be very much dissapointed or only little. I hope they will see benefits in it. After all we will deliver them Ethical Calculus, as agreed. We are in kinda trouble then, coz it may actually take some time to get it.

I would propose in this case the following steps:

- our next tech is social psych.
- we preferably trade social psych from Gaians for both Progenitor Psych and Adaptive Economics. This would be partially as a benefit for them for making (hopefully) PEG to happen here.
- we then switch to ethical calculus.
- we attempt to trade ethical calculus from Spartans and maybe get it also by other means, then switch to any other tech of our choice. This lets us finally fulfill the obbligation.

[Mart]

Spartans already had Progenitor Psych in 2149. The question is, did they researched it as they gave a hint about their tech maturing, or traded with Morganities? If Morganities want to build PEG, they might have not traded it.

[FlameFlash]

Sounds good.

[Hercules]

As reported Morgan has PEG under construction.

So does that mean they instabuilt it or because they saw noone else had Adaptive Econ, that they think they have a little extra time.

Also Spartans have built CN and have the MCC under construction.

Before we decide we maybe need to contact the Spartans to see if they have info on Morgan build plans.

[FlameFlash]

Sounds wise.