Is CVI any good?

[Sava]

yes i noticed this too

i can't believe these things weren't noticed beforehand... press had a long time to play this game

[Lorizael]

espionage needs to be an option that can be turned off

Man, has espionage ever been good in civ?

[Sava]

observation balloon:

adds +1 Range to adjacent bombard strength units.

WHAT IS A "BOMBARD STRENGTH UNIT"?

there is a renaissance unit called the "Bombard"

there are "siege units" and "ranged units"

this is semantics, but be consistent

if you call everything siege units, don't go throwing around "bombard strength units" when nothing else is called that

entry for "artillery" calls it a "bombard unit"

"bombard unit" just seems to exist in the civilopedia entries...

fix it

[Sava]

Man, has espionage ever been good in civ?

the rise of mankind mod for civ4 did it very well

that mod did a lot well

my favorite was the culture system... it was very fluid... you could cause civil wars... new civs would develop throughout the game... derived from "parent cultures"... america from england, etc... very dynamic, deep, and fun

[Sava]

the observation balloon... something that flies in the air... moves 4x as far along roads post-industrialization than it does every other terrain type

it has one movement point

how does a road make an air unit go farther?

[Sava]

food growth timer doesn't update after you make changes to citizens... city screen tells me 6 turns, map indicator says 13

[Ben Kenobi]

the solution is to mod spies out of the game until the espionage mechanic becomes something

You could do it in cheat mode. Just change the movement of spies to 0.

[Sava]

great admirals keep getting spawned on a wonder i built on a lake

you can't choose to put them where you want when you recruit them, apparently

great admiral, don't you want to go to one of my many port cities, OR AT THE VERY LEAST A HARBOR ON THE SEA AND NOT SOME ANCIENT WONDER I BUILT ON A LAKE


what kind of naval tradition is that


can we get admiral halsey, BUT RESTRICT HIS OPERATIONS TO LAKE BRANSON IN MISSOURI

****ing stupid

[Sava]

roads only work if you begin your turn in your territory on your roads

roads make balloons go farther

i like how roads are created in this game... via trade routes

just make them work at all times except at war in enemy territory

[Sava]

it would be nice if roads worked for allied city states

they sort of half work in ai territory if you have open borders, trying to test more

[Sava]

good thing about espionage:

after you spam your campus and city centers, they seem to defend well against bull**** like tech boost stealing

you capture spies and can use them as bargaining chips in deals with the ai

i want to publicly execute the ones i catpure

[Sava]

but kinda bull**** that they can steal computer's boost before i'm even in a position to research it
i'm a full era behind
they are two

yet they get computersboost easy through spy

solution? spy spam

and the first promotion doesn't have anything for defense... you can steal tech, money, or disrupt rocketry

WHAT IS A ROCKET I DUNNO NOBODY DISCOVERED IT YET BUT GOOD TO KNOW I CAN DO IT

[Ben Kenobi]

roads make balloons go farther

Can you build rails in the sea?

[Sava]

balloon gets movement penalty crossing a bridge

a thing floating in the air

it gets held up by water flowing hundreds of feet under it

[Sava]

observation balloons cannot see over the trees of a forest... or over a hill... god forbid a mountain

did anyone even playtest this game with this unit?