Multiplayer Strategy Guide 2nd Version

[Mathemagician]

apart from that, why does he check saves of a game that we agreed to continue ?
or did i get something wrong there too, even though i asked about it ?

[Gavrushka]

Math, this is difficult.. Farm under city is one thing.. We laughed because it was mentioned it would be good to see you build a farm on ice.. That can be let pass..

The Mine under city trick must not be used. Please just accept that in online play that henceforth no tricks. You never ever mentioned mines. It has to be put down to a misunderstanding but please appreciate the use of such a thing alters the game radically.

[Mathemagician]

come on now, dont be pedantic. as long as i have been here, the "anything-under-city" "bug" has been called "farm-under-city bug", since it is the same mechanic in the game.

i am aware that a mine under a city does make a strong impact. thats why i always was surprised you said you wouldnt use it even if allowed. but then again, thats why i kept asking.

id like to put this clear:
i will use anything that is allowed in a game. and i wont use anything that is not allowed. i want to win, and i want to win honest !
and in this game i was certain (not quite sure), i was certain that we had agreed on using "dingbat-under-city".

lets call it a misunderstanding here. but if you (all) care about such a thing prior to a game, maybe you should clarify it with the respective person insteading of laughingly ignore it.
after all, it was clear that i couldnt seriously have meant "farms only" in a game of mountain islands.

im sorry that youre the one, gary, whom i have to tell this this way. but i want to take this opportunity to make clear that i take much care to be aware of what is cheating and what not. and sometimes i just dont get clear answers by certain people.

[Gavrushka]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
apart from that, why does he check saves of a game that we agreed to continue ?
or did i get something wrong there too, even though i asked about it ?

The game will not continue. I was suspicious, as was Ice, so the saves were checked.. In any such occurence the game will never continue.

I was being very generous in saying that Mine under city was a misunderstanding. It was used to boost production and broke the game..

You never responded to your use of mine under city, and never mentioned it. Filix (in an earlier game) had also said he was not bothered about farm under city.. They are separate things. I had hoped to post and leave it at that. But this thing will run on I see.


A further recollection from Azrael confirms that three times you were told NO to farm under city and you simply said you would use it. There was no mention at any point of mine under city...

This is a simple statement from now on in... Any use of tricks in games is cheating, unless ALL parties agree to it. It is used to increase the Value of a civ over and above that which competing civs could possibly do. Such things are not strategy and in any game involving me, Azreal or Blackice they are outlawed. Is this clear?

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
A further recollection from Azrael confirms that three times you were told NO to farm under city and you simply said you would use it.

now that may be the true misunderstanding here, because i was convinced that 3 times i didnt get an answer.

Originally posted by Gavrushka
Any use of tricks in games is cheating, unless ALL parties agree to it. (...)
Is this clear?

unfortunately, the definition of "trick" in any specific case is not at all clear.
but that is a different issue.

for me it was 'clear' what we had agreed on using it.

[blackice]

Ah I am back lolol, me too Quinns me too, especially in light of the new view of his knowledge and his keeping the ramping secret once again for his own use to beat unsuspecting oponent.... he is a member here I thought and with that comes the responsibility of sharing such tricks for an even playing field. He did not do this, no different than in GL which he used the rush buy swap the get top spot... nothing has changed Not a thing...

His response was childish as usual...Did not address the facts as usual, and does nothing to clear his name, nothing new there...

Math you asked yes about farm under city, cool you asked several times, yes you did. I said vote, Gav abstained and I said no tricks and Marcos said no tricks. You said yes farm trick, vote cast you lost 2-1. We then laughed about the farm under city on ice terrain.

Now explain where in any comment did you say mine under city? Not once, on top of that the vote was for use of tricks 2-1 you were out voted. I guess that means all tricks are not to be used.

Like Gav said for future we do not play tricks, we might if we all vote to do so. What happened would be like saying we can not swap rush buy settlers, then someone swap rush buys tiremes and says we did not say that... That's called splitting hairs, it is assumed no tricks means just that. And farms are not mines...

No biggy the game was fun and good company, and your welcome for all the tips.

Now lets play more and get you up to speed on all the online goodies.

It was a fast game too for four people, once we got going lololol. I of course was miles ahead in the pg until I ran out of land, which took about a turn. Both marcos and I were hard pressed to find even a speck of land until way later in the game

Be an interesting new game let's see how you do without the tricks this time.

[Gavrushka]

I vote a trainer game?

It is a difficult transition to the 'back to basics' game when a different strategy has been applied previously..

How about it?

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by blackice
Now explain where in any comment did you say mine under city?

i explained that above.
months ago i was talking about "mine under city" somewhere on this forum. and a few posts later it had been turned to "farm under city".
so, naturally, i took "farm under city" as a generalisation of all "under city" bugs.
you're saying it is not ?
okay, now i know.

and that trireme example in fact supports my point. as there you are the one assuming a generalisation to be legitimate, thus approving what i said.

Originally posted by blackice
Not once, on top of that the vote was for use of tricks 2-1 you were out voted. I guess that means all tricks are not to be used.

certainly ! if it had been the way you say.
i dont want to heat this topic further, but this feels very much like a trial, especially before the rest of the community, so id like to take my full energy to defend myself.

well, i didnt read through all the logs again as i dont have them. so lets assume you indeed used the terms "vote", "ban" or something equally definite in this conversation and i just overlooked it.
doesnt the sentence "i will use it unless someone objects" indicate that in fact i had not gotten the point that someone had objected, that this was a vote ? wouldnt it have been your obligation to clarify that, to make sure i realized it was a vote to ban the bug ?

as a said. just defending myself here.

Originally posted by blackice
No biggy the game was fun and good company, and your welcome for all the tips.

glad to read that.
now that the trial feeling is gone, lets all shake hands and be friends again.

Originally posted by blackice
Be an interesting new game let's see how you do without the tricks this time.

and with knowing how to use pathtracking in an all-ocean game.

[Mathemagician]

damnit ! so many tempting quotations and i didnt fake a single one.
what will my honored mentor Troll say about that ?

[Gavrushka]

pathing with longships is very important. It is posted in previous strategy guides . Essential in Island Play.

I would be delighted to play against you again .

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
pathing with longships is very important. It is posted in previous strategy guides . Essential in Island Play.

now here is a nice example for a game bug that is not considered cheating, isnt it ?

Originally posted by Gavrushka
I would be delighted to play against you again .

only if you tell us more about your sexy neighbor, gary.

[Gavrushka]

Yes back on topic.. Longship was discussed a long long time ago - Is it a bug or not? I remember people talking about the ship seeing clouds on the horizon so there must be land there etc.. The simple fact is that there is no way to check whether it is used or not.. Whatever arguments are given this was a ruling applied years ago, and I think it essential that all are aware of it.. Please dig out old strategy threads and read them in their entirity.

As for my neighbour.. I am open to Strategy suggestions..

[blackice]

now that the trial feeling is gone, lets all shake hands and be friends again.

Not a trial math never was just clerification on the rules, hence forth all tricks, bugs any known or unknown change from the tutorial or accepted "normal" game play shall be called "tricks" I am sure that has been made clear a few times. Even activision calls the swap rush buy a "bug" we commonly refer to all these things as "tricks"

I hoped this would not effect anyone friendship, appears the assumption to be right.

Till next time Path tracking, yes read those two threads I posted earlier on.

Dimytes it is part of the strategy thread, these things come into play and the people that use them need to be exposed. Flame it is not, far from it is showing that certain strategies like bug use and tricks should not be used and people who use them without opponents knowledge will be exposed period.

My post was in response to and post made that paul does not cheat, to be fair you must also, rant and complain about that too, should'nt you? After all what strategy was that? Did you complain about that? In fact you would have to complain about a lot of comments under your guidelines in most and all threads would'nt you? Now that you have set high standards for yourself and others we'll be keeping tabs. Talk about a high horse to get down from...

Rant heh not that either, read above...

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by blackice
Not a trial math never was just clerification on the rules, hence forth all tricks, bugs any known or unknown change from the tutorial or accepted "normal" game play shall be called "tricks" I am sure that has been made clear a few times. Even activision calls the swap rush buy a "bug" we commonly refer to all these things as "tricks"

never denied that. clearly the problem here was the path to consense before the game.

Originally posted by blackice
Till next time Path tracking, yes read those two threads I posted earlier on.

oh, i certainly believe you. i merely took it as an example that not all bugs are clearly illegal.
gav made a point though in that it is not voluntary. but i'll find another example one day...

[Grandpa Troll]

Mathemagician:



That'll be just about enuff out of you..you..you..TOM FOOLERY DUNSKI!!

U aint gonna skirt no laws here..no high-wire walkers either..plain 'N simple..ya play ya pay

THIRTY DAYS

Ok new nic name fer Math...

Bluto

from Animal House..

Look..shame we couldnt have something like Punk-Buster on CTP where any alteraltions woulod be detected..

then maybe we could have it where someone "dummied up" and acted like they didnt know..would be busted

But..alas..i dont think we should fault Math

He is a foreigner and may indeed just be an iggorant @$$

Dont make him Stupid

Dont make him Retarded

Dont make him a cheater

Dont make him a lowlife

Dont make him a low-count..well ..um..maybe we will table this category..

What it makes him is a simpleton, an Iggoramus-Puss.of the Foreign kind..

he is simply not used to our interpretations of Honest and forthrightness....

I made my ruling and it stands..as LAW!!!!!!


Peace

Grandpa "Hang'em-High"Troll