The Chiron Chronicle: Discussions (Restart 3)

[Argonaut]

I updated my faction's time-line, and threw in some ideas for the Isle of Denairia war and getting someone into the Governor's office other than Lal. Any comments? I just thought them up as I was going along, so it's all entirely changeable.

[[LordLMP]]

Argonaut, your timeline was great

In my opinion, MOrgan would be Planetary Governor from 2190 to 2200...would make sence, as he would push into establishing the PLanetary Stoch Exchange, which he succeeds. He would of bought votes from some of the other factions too, like the Believers, Hive and Spartans, all strap for credits.
After the Global Trade Summit which last a couple of months(which could of had an assassination attempt on Morgan by the Perfect Society, after realizing what Morgan is trying to do which threatens the organization. could also have Larionov terrorists causing trouble too), Morgan secures his leadership for life by some of his revolutionary trade deals and stablelizing Global Trade at the summit(gave Planetary Economics too all factions who participated at the summit, improving relations with some factions), also was able to establish morgan banks in other factions by taking advantage of the agreements signed at the summit, completed the Planetary Energy Grid, signed a trade deal with the Cult of Planet to help them out in their war against the Believers by provinding equipment in exchange for credits, got elected as Planetary Governor by buying Spartan, Believer and Hive votes (Cult of Planet would vote for them to keep relations good as they depend on their trade deal, and University may or may not vote for them aswell), was able to get the Planetary Stock Exchange established at the Planetary Council Base which turn the base into a Trade Center along being a Polical one(May rename base, especially as the population increase and hosting the stock exchange, succeeded in passing an agreement to salvage Unity's fusion plant and so on......... So, the Morganites would definatly be superior Economical wise, aswell being the richest faction on Chiron so the people are happy, perfect society loose complete support and eventually fade out of existance, especially if they loose in University aswell... so Morgan is definatly set for life and Roze hates it So the morganites succeed in specializing heavily in their prefered ideal field

yes, i know done the summary of Morgan for Darkcloud...just my opinion as to what to do with them and who should be elected Governor. only real hiccups are at the Deniara island during its commando like war between various factions...some incidents with the Data Angels(neighbours, covert threat, angels stealing money, simply don't like each over) and Pirates(neighbours, economical rival, trade rival, various pirate manipulation attempts, larionov terrorists, problem trade route wise to cult, naval threat, and allied with the Data Angels).

All factions would have their big positives, especially keeping the same leader. Captain Svensgard never got voted out of leadership since they started their Democracy because the majority love him and so on, so followed suit after the Data Angels and he got voted to be leader for rest of his life, unless majoritally voted out, killed, retired and etc....

[Guardian]

Okay, I'm about ready to get serious now... I'll go along with Morgan being elected Planetary Governor, but needless to say the Peacekeepers are not going to like it one bit... Buying votes is definitely foul play in their book and will have a nasty impact on their relations with both Morgan and the ones whose votes were bought. Peacekeepers will raise hell in Council and will never recognize Morgan as legitimate governor. When/if their angry protests fail, they'll definitely seek to impose some kind of trade sanctions on Morgan and his "servants"... they might even try to establish an economic power block of their own... sort of an "ethical" alternative to Morgan... (I see some of the agreements made at the Global Trade Summit falling apart already... )

Anyway, I'm technically still at work, so I guess I should be doing something else right now... I'll be back later today.

[Guardian]

...on second thoughts...

Umm... okay, maybe we won't be quite THAT pissed off, but we certainly won't like it...

[Argonaut]

I'm cool with Morgan being Governor, now that I see how it happened. Of course, as Roze I'm furious and I will do everything in my power to see that it does not happen again!



My timeline has been updated summarily.

[Natan]

The Hive is very cool with morgan being Governor, they probably voted for him in return for cash and/or tech. The Hive wants anyone who doesn't care about their human rights record to be governor, although they are afraid that Morgan will turn on them because of their Planned economy.

I'll write my timeline soon, although I may not right much of anything for before 2280 or so.

[Sprayber]

I posted my timeline.

Kass--read these little bits. are they ok as far as what you feel the Believers would accept?

2184: Sparta sends military advisors to the Believers to help in their war with the Cult of Planet. They are forbidden from entering battle zones. They work as Spartan representatives to the Believer faction.

2192: Sparta once again sends more advisors to the Believer faction. Material and technology are also sent along with them.

Natan--I didn't put anything in about the Hive except our initial exchange program. I think that the Hive-Spartan exchange would continue for a long time and may involve one faction backing the other in certain things dimplomatically. Feel free to include anything along those lines and I will add them in my timeline as well.

Anyone with an issue with anything, just bring it to my attention. I made it to where Santiago came back in 2195 so it would have been Kessel who gave Sparta's vote to Morgan in the planetary election.

LMP. I tried to be as vague as possible about the location of Fleet Anchorage. So you have a little room to place it.

[[LordLMP]]

Sprayber - it was the first spartan war that got sparked by the unity pod the second spartan war started due to high tensions, especially after discovering that the PKs has recolonize the southern parts without them noticing. (i could see why it would annoy them, as it is military lacking by not maintening reconnaisance....) of course, we can change that a bit....as UN Haven City (not safe haven, thats pirate capital ) and Humanity Base never seriously evacuated the continent along with the rest of the pks... so can say they were some small skirmishs between scouts and spartans not paying attention much to the pks at that point because they were focus in fighting the hive, help the free drones maintain their blockade and then isolationism.

We could have a skirmish battle near Fleet Anchorage soon after being established and discovered by the pirates. no ship sunk, just lobbing missiles at each other, damaging each other ships... then, the cold war between the pirates and spartans would really start....where mainly covert actions happen against each other, and some other incidents too... like one concerning the Athen Outpost. Pirate Fleet in Chiron Sea will be quite ready to simply go in, take on the Spartan fleet and capture or destroy Fleet Anchorage while the Battle Dragons based at the athen outpost are ready to move in and take on the Spartan army

Another thing, Spartans could establish one or two more ground bases too maybe like maybe covering the PK border or/and the upland wastes against the pirates and any other threats that may happen in the north.

Guardian - Well, i would see Lal become annoyed and a bit of a sore loser. But then, after Morgan being elected, PK could increase their nosing into Morganite affairs, especially like them selling stuff to the cult, their almost complete control of the stock exchange, which the pirates, data angels and them are countering, especially naval trade wise....picking on morgan for not being more strict about factions internal affairs like the spartans, hive, believers, etc... Lal may also be annoyed with the rest of the chiron alliance as not all of them didn't vote for him :/ maybe the Gaians and cyborgs did, but not enough.

Natan - Morganites would be extremely more picky on the Gaians and other factions operating Green Economy then ones operating Planned...besides, Hive voted for Morgan, so they are grateful also, make sence to see Morganites trade with the Hive with the cheap products they can acquire, like the stuff we get from China here in Canada/US and other places despite them being a communist country and them breaking the human rights charter. also, cheap labour too..... Another thing which the PKs may get picky about hive drones don't get payed....except for food and shelter anyway.... and something the Free Drones don't like.

Darkcloud - rather that planetmind never was playable...as anyone playing them have trouble finding ways to play them without overstepping on other players factions to much, which could cause arguments....like a lot of the funky stuff Christine done. that also reminds me that the Cult wouldn't have any problems from planetmind when sending their loaded IoDs to help the Pks, but would get trouble from the spartan ships.

University would also become the most advance faction, along with the cyborgs. after resolving many of the the political problems, they would get back into focusing on research. The hidden bases would be discovered doing secret research dealings with the cyborgs. after the political mess resolved, Zhakarov recontacts with the hidden bases, discovering how far they are technology wise, aswell as the their dealins with cyborgs...which would explain why the hidden bases were officially discovered by the cyborgs or pirates..... pirates didn't make a thing of it, but their distrust of cyborgs increases....not anti-cyborg wise, just against high research factions, especially as they run Knowdledge :P despite shrinking their military, they could expand eastwards, to cover territory there against the possibility of other factions expanding there.... Zarya-Sunrise would be around since the the 40s or 50s..... and the base would be University's biggest trade center due as the place is a good stop for naval trade. Other significances of the base are that its the closest base of theirs to Planetary Council and Hive(i can relations being good between them aswell...acquiring human test subjects, or whatever). Its also the most logical base to base their Navy, along with Outpost #1 further north of the eastern coast. University would also control the Manifold Nexus...which helped them acquire mindworms, which were useful in during the Great War.




i will write quick summerial ideas for the Free Drones and Gaians tommorrow...........aswell maybe write the Pirates timeline :P

-LordLMP

[Sprayber]

Ok

How about these additions

Parade Ground--Located (119, 61) On the PK border between UN Haven City and Assissan's Redoubt

or if Guardian is concerned about that

Parade Ground--Located (125, 57) On the island west of Assissan's Redoubt. I actually perfer this one. This can serve as a fall back naval base for the Spartan fleet.

and

Hawk of Chiron--Located (108, 26) On the Drone border northwest of Blast Rilfe Crag and inland.

As for the battles with the Pirate fleet. We can do, but remember that sooner or later the Spartans and Hive are going to get tired of the Pirate fleet. There can be tensions but unless the Pirates strike first the Spartans aren't likely to commit to a full war until they have naval parity. Maybe if the Hive also comits to a war. I would be interested as to what the rest of the Alliance would think about the Pirates starting a war with the Spartans if there were no provocations. Exactly where is Athens? Wouldn't the Drones be a little angry at the Pirates establisihing a base that cuts into their territory? Especially if it provokes the Spartans into building one and taking even more land.

[[LordLMP]]

Hive would have trouble maintening...because almost everytime he builds one up, Chiron Alliance, especially pirates, nocks them out of commission as the hive coasts being patrolled considerably by Pirate/UN/Angel ships, would be hard to construct a fleet without attracting attention....... so best places at the moment they can do that is Eurytion Bay, near the free drones (free drones would only have a small navy, enough to defend their coasts and their seabases) or bases along the big planetneck river seperating the continent almost in half... and they would mainly have foils too....unless spartans gave them initiative as soon as they acquired it or soon after. Pirates, in other hand, maintain larger amount of Cruisers and using Foils as support.

Athens is located just outside of Free Drone borders....neither the spartans or the free drones seriously control the upland wastes....well, until spartans built a base in it and the free drones establishing more bases along the northern coast. Sure the Free Drones don't like the pirates attracting the spartans attention northwards, but they officially can't do anything as the pirates establish the outpost on non-controlled lands at the time....which now, the outpost is technicly located on the Free Drone/Spartan borders. ain't the best of position , but hey still a good location to attack the spartans from whenever another war with them starts.

-LordLMP

[Natan]

No, the Pirates couldn't do anything to the Hive fleet without severe reprecussions internationally, it would make the other factions mad at the Chiron Alliance, and the PKs might feel compelled to condem the agression. But the Hive fleet would be small, mostly containing foils for coastal defense, probably many of their ships wouldn't even be capable of sailing properly once they got a few squares off the coast.

How are we assigning Secret Projects? I'd like to have the Hive abandon the HGP, and transfer the resources to the Cyborg Factory, which they woul have the tech for by now. They could be maybe 5-10 years away from completing it, depending on how much other stuff they do with their industry in the meantime. What do you think?

Also, we should do something with the tip of my continent there, either Kane get's a base there or I do, 'cause I'm not gonna let the Pirates play that trick again!

[Sprayber]

Hmm, The Spartans may have an interesting proposal to bring up before the council regarding technology. But that can wait until we start the game. Ok if everthing is alright with the base locations I would perfer the location of Parade Ground be on the island at (125, 57) and Hawk of Chiron at (108, 26) on the free drone border.

Natan-It looks like the Spartans and Hive will have to develope a coheasive front against the facist Pirates. Maybe we can become an alternative voice for the freedom loving people of Chiron.

[DarkCloud]

Zhakarov recontacts with the hidden bases, discovering how far they are technology wise,

Unless we are changing history, this is impossible, the hidden bases had reunited with the 'real' University under Zakharov's last war against the Cyborgs/Data Angels... interesting idea having the hidden bases trade with Cyborgs- I think they might do that- but considering how they went to war with the Cyborgs- I do not think the cyborgs would trust them.

Well... I'm glad that Zak still gets to keep his mindworms even with planetmind gone...

Lets just say that during this all Planetmind has slumbered; and when the factions are more powerful and more players come; planet can be awakened, and is weaker but can still do some damage.

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Don't worry LMP, I can stirr up lots of trouble for Zakharov- he's going to have Lal extremely mad at him and everyone is going to think he is extremely unethical.

He will have good research as he his demilitarizing the University searching for weapons of mass destruction that won't pollute planet, or be 'forbidden' by the UN Charter, which he doesn't pay attention to, but he feels that unless he wants everyone to declare war on him...

Also- There will be a scandal if everyone agrees.
That will implicate Zakharov, Morgan, Roze, Deidre, Santiago, Lal, and Svensgaard... This may allow the other, less played factions to move into the spotlight and call for Morgan's resignation and give Lal something to think about.

I'll explain it when the story starts... Don't be concerned- it's not a war or a game wrecker, it just adds a moral question to the faction leader's longevity

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Sprayber

Natan-It looks like the Spartans and Hive will have to develope a coheasive front against the facist Pirates. Maybe we can become an alternative voice for the freedom loving people of Chiron.

Peacekeepers are freedom loving, but they certainly won't be asking you guys to speak for them!

However, you're both right about one thing: we will not condone any unprovoked aggression.

I'll be posting my history / time line later today.

[[LordLMP]]

The Pirates and Svensgaard are so misunderstood. They do what they do for their own security, for the safety of their own people and way of life among the sea. Spartans and Hive are a threat to the Pirates... so is the Believers somewhat, but Svensgaard is not too worried about them, despite the Nessus Incident

As the pirates are independence loving people, they wouldn't seriously care what Lal as to say about any aggression they do against the Spartans, Hive Pirates also don't trust University or the Cyborgs, with their high research and all...... doesn't trust Morgan either :P Svensgaard prefers in keeping strong relations with the Data Angels, Peacekeepers and Free Drones, but pirates won't sacrifice their ways just to please them.

Darkcloud - well, change history then...thats what we are doing anyway, partly. The thing about the hidden bases in the second war got confused.... you wanted to use them to launch attacks from, which was technicly impossible as they are hidden, in cyborg territory, so they don't have the resources or infrastructure to build up a military force, except for some defence. and don't University will would be able to sneak in an army to them. so yes, the bases would of been contacted via probe team(s) sent to the hidden bases to check up on them and their progress. When the war ended, can say University cease to send probe teams so they don't get flak from Cyborgs, Data Angels, etc... for breaking treaty or something. but they would later get contacted again and then Zhakarov discovers that the hidden bases has been communicating and so on with the Cyborgs, combining research, and etc... So those bases would be technicly pro-cyborgs, despite the majority of the rest of the faction having anti-cyborg sentiments. So officially, University and Cyborgs don't like each other, but secretly and unofficial, there is secret researchs dealings between each other via the hidden bases. Just an explination has to why, after so long, the bases weren't discovered and taken over like it was expected when the Cyborgs were expanding.
Has for planetmind, they will of course be occasional mindworm attacks due to pollution, and etc... but prefer that Planetmind to be not playable.......besides, well worry about that WHEN we DO have a full house

Natan - yes, Hive can have some more bases. As for the Kane thing, mainly thinking of scratching that....unless the player interested in playing them is still interested. else, Kane is yours to do has you wish with yes, Hive can work on the cyborg factory.... Hive may not be as advance as other factions, but they could be more advance then they would have on their own having dealings with the Spartans, aswell maybe with University and Morgan....

Here is the Secret Projects rundown as i know of...also maybe some suggestions too:

Morganites: Merchant Exchange, Planetary Energy Grid
Data Angels: Citizen's Defence Force, Hunter-Seeker Algorithm with the Cyborgs(completed?), Virtual World?
Spartans: Command Nexus, second Weather Paradigm
University: Human Genome Project
Pirates: Maritime Control Center
Gaians: Empath Guild, Weather Paradigm, Pholus Mutagen
Cult of Planet: Xenoempathy Dome
Cyborgs: Planetary Datalinks? Hunter-Seeker Algorithm with DataAngels
Peacekeepers:
Believers:
Hive: Ascetic Virtues?, Cyborg Factory(under construction)
Free Drones: Cloudbase Academy


yes, in Chiron Chronicles, factions can build SPs that was already built by another...just that, takes a bit longer than the first and not as good as the first. Also may suggest ideas for new SPs you have in mind
another thing, i currently lost my crossfire manual somewhere, so forgot about some of its SPs.

-LordLMP