The Chiron Chronicle: Discussions (Restart 3)

[[LordLMP]]

Guardian - Planetary Governor or not, Lal can still act as one anyway by getting into others affairs, which he has done a lot more frequently since the Great War/Second Spartan War.

-LordLMp

[Guardian]

Agreed. As for the time line... Well, I said I'd post it yesterday, but it seems I have yet to do it... WILL be done today.

[Cyber]

Whazzup...
Finally I´ll be able to post a little more in this story, somewhere about 3-5 on the Darkcloud scale.
LordLMP, I´d like the Cult to have a few more bases, something like two or three more.
I´ll use Blakes old Admin post, with a few modifications of course.
Besides Xenoempathy Dome, according to Blake, the Cult had the HGP, so put that in your list also.
Whats the situation with the CoP military? I mean, whats their strength procentage compared to their original pre-war strength.
For now, I´ll put the number of units in the military to be 3 x the number of bases. That means their support will be badly strained, and the morale won´t be the best as the people there have seen whole generations of mindworm and human soldiers being devoured by the Endless War.
BTW, whats their technology status? They got Advanced military algorithms and Air Power(?), some other tech that I can´t remember, and Missile tech from the Spartan rover. I´m not sure about these though.
The tech they have researched themselves: Centauri Genetics and Retroviral Engineering, and are currently researching Biomachinery.
With Centauri Genetics they´ll have Locusts but not much for now, as it is brand new technology and the CoPs haven´t had the time to grow much of the damn flying buggers.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Cyber

BTW, whats their technology status? They got Advanced military algorithms and Air Power(?), some other tech that I can´t remember, and Missile tech from the Spartan rover. I´m not sure about these though.

If that Air Power is the one they acquired from Braddock, they only got the specifications for defensive SAM systems, so it's not really air power. As for the other tech you can't remember, I believe it was High Energy Chemistry.

[DarkCloud]

I´ll use Blakes old Admin post, with a few modifications of course.

Ok.

Whats the situation with the CoP military? I mean, whats their strength procentage compared to their original pre-war strength.

I think that they would be roughly 10% stronger because they have militarized themselves more; but their research should suffer. They should have the least new techs of any faction.

Stronger as in more units... not morale- your morale idea is a good one.

[[LordLMP]]

Cyber - gave me the coordinates and i will place them. do remember, as they are in war, hard for them to expand to much too...especially. so some of the new bases could be established as a military base at first...and during quiet times during the war, chance to build up a bit more.
by 2200, will allow them to to have complete Advanced Military Algorithms, Doctrine: Air Power, Synthetic Fossil Fuel and High Chemistry.... all factions would have those techs now anyway, either by research, trading, given or stolen. But i can't cult have much of an air force...maybe atleast 2-3 interceptors for defence against Believer Needlejets later in the war. rest of air force would be comprise of locusts.
in CC, we should seperate morale and experience... it is possible to have low moralled troops to be very experienced. so i see the air units to be quiet experienced after practicly constant air battles...become llike the Israel air force which seems to be the most elite in our world.
I see morgan mainly providing Infantry equipment/weaponry, ammunition and building resources...but may provide the occasional rover and building materials to contruct needlejets.

Natan - better that the believers didnt get mind/machine interface just yet to contruct helicopters. and don't think believers will accept slaves because of religion.....and no overdose of stereotypes concerning fundies. Anyway, hive will have trouble sneaking any military units with the Pirates about :P maybe advisors, observers, etc like the Spartans sent to the believers.
I rather see Kane die in battle in my opinion :P can't see him being a surrendering person, especially knowing Yang. not into sub-groups, but terrorist/guerilla/etc groups back by a faction(s) or whatever is okay...unoffcially most likely, but still. Also, pirates would volunterely join groups like that, especially with Svensgaard encouragement I have questions about Kurita and the Colonel....are they in the same side or fighting each other guerilla wise...and they would still have some rovers too....bad shape yes, but still I also see Morgan selling weapons, supplies, etc... to any groups like that
As for the beach head evacuation, can't see Hive foils take out Pirate cruisers which has foil support...maybe loosing couple of foils, lost of transport(s) and damage to rest, but no cruiser losses Hive may succeed in having some yang books smuggled into Pirate bases via peacekeepers, morganites and maybe data angels...but pirates will confiscate them. they would be ban, just no fees or jail...just confiscation and having intelligence keeping an eye on whoever that had the book And Free Drones would reject the stuff instantly. Morgan, as governor, may officially give hoot to the Pks for backing Kane's forces...but PK would have fun hit him back with this acceptance and using slaves from Hive


Yes, i still have to write Pirates timeline....tonite i will definatly if i not called in to work.

-LordLMP

[Cyber]

Darkcloud-So should the Cult have 4 x bases amount of units? That´ll definately bring them to the breaking point of support, and of course, their science is in a very bad shape and still going down.
I truly hope the believer won´t have a couple of hundred units ready and willing against Cha Dawn, because that´ll surely squish the Cult.

LordLMP- Don´t worry about needlejets, I wasn´t even planning to start building them, relying only on Locusts. About the elite airforce thing, I think the Cult troops on the border fighting the Endless War, have to be much more experienced than indicated on my admin post now, somewhere minimum Great boils and veterans. Hey, They´ve after all fought down there south for about fifteen years now.
The three bases are here:

Province Xeno 12,66 a beatiful, small base, popular vacation place for Cult citizens.
Worship of Planet 15,53 built as a potential trade place for Cultists and Gaians.
Nest of Fear 23,83 a military complex, main purpose is to stage air raids deep into the believer territory.


I just don´t see any chance for the Cult to win this devastating war, except with allies, and even that might not be enough to stop the fanatic believers. Should try to end this conflict as soon as possible, grind it down into a concrete stalemate. But, after all, thats what the Cultists have been trying to do these whole fifteen years now...

[Sprayber]

Tech question and more

I think Natan just meant that the Hive foils damaged the Pirate crusiers and not that they took them out. Maybe it would do the Pirates well to see that others are getting better at the naval game.

A question about the tech level. I am assuming that the Spartans would be in the middle as far as tech goes But with each faction having advantages in different areas. uni-cyborgs would be leading of course.

Im going to put the new bases into my timeline with Parade ground on the island like i discussed. Also I don't have any problem with the events that Natan described. They make for a good history. You may want to be sure that the PKs involved were there without the officaial knowledge of the their government, but they could still be critized for not being able to control them. As far as copters go, if the Hive didn't give it to them, then the Spartains would have.

Speaking of which, Is this going to become our little proxy war? Cause it looks like sides are being drawn up. Another odd thing is that we supported morgan as PG and ened up on opposite sides in the believer-cult war. Not really unbealiveable though.

[Argonaut]

Secret Projects

Just thought I'd clarify. The Data Angels house both the Virtual World and the Citizen's Defence Force. They have also recently completed the Hunter-Seeker Algorithm with the Cybernetic Conciousness, so probe teams beware!

[Guardian]

I have no problems with Natan's timeline except that I kind of wonder how the guerillas would be moving freely back and forth across the best guarded border on Chiron (Spartan/PK border). Defense Line will still be there, as will the joint border posts set up after the U.N. Haven City peace talks in 2183... -plus whatever defenses the Spartans have on their side. This is a part of the world where it's hard to fart without raising and alarm somewhere!

As for Yang's works being published in PK territory, it's not a problem at all. They won't even be pissed. Not even a little bit, although they might publish something that argues against it. There is such a thing as freedom of expression, you know!

[Natan]

Sprayber is correct, what I was saying was that the Hive had badly damaged the cruisers, probably with needlejets, although they still managed to withdraw. As for Kane, he surrendered because he thought the struggle could be better carried out from behind prison walls. If he kept fighting, he would have died a hero's death, but remember, he is from the Hive, he has no desire to be a hero. He figured that some of his men might be able to feign re-education, and that others might escape and tell the other factions about what happened to them. Unfortunately for him, the Hive is being very careful with his men, executing many and putting the rest to work on what are essentially chain gangs. Some might escape and make trouble, but none are going to be trusted. If you really want though, we could either have Kane try to swim out to the boats and drown, or swim out and be picked up.

I think we should let a few Pirates come around to Yang's ideas, not enough to riot or revolt, but enough to be useful to the Hive in intelligence gathering, hiding Hive Probe team members, etc. Ditto for the PKs, but the Data Angels and the Drones wouldn't have such infiltrators.

I didn't say the Believers would get MMI, I said that the Hive would send some of its own helicopters to help them out, and keep mum about the identity of their pilots to prevent an international incident. Advisors would also be present. I figure that the Believers would be pretty much okay with having Hive advisors, since the Believers are probably also worried about PK criticism of their human rights.

Guardian: That's an issue which I thought about, but forgot to write about. I figured that Kane would get a sympathetic pro-war PK to let him through the defenses on the PK side of the border, and that a quick "accidental" PK artillery strike or probe team raid on the Spartan side could let them through.

Kwaseme and Kurita started out as members of Kane's army which invaded Sparta. Kurita has always secretly harbored loyalty to Yang however, and so after Kane left for Hive territory he re-established links with Yang, who ordered him to start attacking the PKs, with his former desertion of the Hive making the pretense of deniability a little more credible. Yang let the Spartans in on this plan, so they let Kurita through while pretending that he had fought his way out, and then the PKs thought he was still their man, so they let him through, presuming he had returned to get more supplies and men for future expeditions.
Kwaseme is a PK himself who joined Kane's army because he liked its image and wanted to fight the Spartans. With the death of Kane though, he is now basically a PK agent, with some Free Drone support.

[DarkCloud]

4X bases number of troops is a good formula, Cyber.

The Cultists allies... Do you believe that the Gaians may help?
If you and SMAC Fanatic got together you could possibly work out some sort of storyline where the Gaians begin to respect the worship of Planet, seeing that the Morganites and others are polluting it even more with the new technologies.

[Sprayber]

I find it amusing that one of the biggest polluters(Morgan) is helping the Cult of Planet. Would the Gians really ally themselves with the cult with this irony going around. Unless the belivers are going to take on the Gians as well. I think the Spartans and Hive would find it an interesting topic to bring up from time to time.

[[LordLMP]]

Morgan is not allied with the Cult...cult of planet is just a client to them that is buying their stuff, thats it. Morgan isn't going to fork stuff over and he doesn't have any units there helping them. The Morganites would sell stuff to the believer if they ask, but won't offer it like they offered to the cult. and believers wouldn't like the morganites anyhow, with their evil greedy money ways. anyway, Believers don't seriously have a problem industry/resource wise to be buying stuff from other factions.

Gaians is a pacifist faction and not interested in war as it does cause damage to Planet too. Also, Gaians are mysterious...and their intelligence is pretty good, has they have the most empath/telepaths on chiron with their Empath Guild and all. which means they have automatic infiltration of all factions. Sure they dislike the morganites and are operating various covert actions against them, like enouraging mindworm attacks within morgan territory. Gaians see no need to help the Cult, and don't want help them either has the Gaians see them has hypocrites, crazy and way to fanatical. but they are ready to the possibility that the believers will soon or later break through and wipe out the Cult and then becoming their new neighbours.

Only things which the Believers violate in the charter is freedom of speach, freedom of religions, freedom of choice, and etc... they ain't has bad as the Hive. Spartans may give MMI to believers, but what makes you think a Fundy faction would take advantage of the tech? sure you don't seriously need a MMI to fly a copter, but would be hoot of lot easier thought, especially if chiron has a higher gravity than earth.

i can see peacekeeper units trying to stick themselves in the middle trying to stop the war, but won't attack either side....but would defend themselves. Pks would also pick on the Spartans and hive(if they are so inclined in helping the believers) and etc...

don't mind if the hive succeeded in infiltrating the pirates, same with the spartans...but doesn't mean they will easily be able to cause riots, trouble, sneak in probe teams and etc.... Pirates are pretty ready and good at covert warfare, with help from the data angels.

Natan - what reason, interests, does the hive have by helping the believers...especially has they would consider hive evil with its police state ways, slaving people, and etc....

Can say factions only seriously started paying attention to the Cult-Believer war in the early 2190s.

-LordLMP

[Sprayber]

Spartans are really more out to hurt the COP then to help the believers. And I think the Believers would realize this too. However, Santiago likes allies that don't concern themselves with how Sparta is run( like Yang) . If the Believers simply cooperate and don't raise too much comotion about the Spartan way of life then she is content to follow the initial policy of helping Believers destroy the Cult. And who knows. If the believers are grateful enough, they may cede a base or two to Spartan control. Anyway the Spartans have a long memory and see the COP as a power that stuck it's nose into their business so long ago. Besides, they also want the Believers to be strong so that the Pirates will have to stretch themselves as far as possible. They don't want the only spotlight to be on them and the hive.


Unlike the Hive the Spartans probably don't have a lot of literature to spread around. We really don't want all of the Spartan Battle Manuel to get out.