The Chiron Chronicle: Discussions (Restart 3)

[Mr. President]

Glad you guys are here. Forgive the dumb question: How do I figure out which technologies I have and which technologies I get? I'm sure this was posted previously, but I either missed it or forgot.

What are relations like between the Chiron Alliance and the Spartans?

As long as Morgan is the Governor, he will feel secure against his rivals in the Alliance. But should he ever lose that position, he may once again seek to defend himself, diplomatically or otherwise, from the Data Angels (who many on the Executive Board see as anarchists) and the Gaians (who many on the executive board see as radical envionmentalists).

[Sprayber]

Wow

I'm away for two days defending my country and a flurry of activity takes place. Where to start?

LMP my email is chrisspr@hotmail.com.


Guardian: I like your stratigy for Lal. I'm getting the impression that Braddock has been putting a lot of pressure on Lal on the homefront. The Spartans will not accept Lal's claim that they can go anywhere regardless of borders. To be honest, they don't care if the PKs deploy troops on Gain soil or not. Thats a mistake by the Gians as is their right to make if they so choose. But don't expect that they will allow PK soliders on Spartan soil or tolerate them on Believer soil without Miriam's approval. The Spartans also will begin to make it clear to the Believers that their war with the cult is fine, but that they should excercise restraint and not mess with the Gians. At least not now.

Sparta will continue to walk the fine line that it has walked for 17 years. I've been reading up on the Pelopnnesian War. Sparta's advice would be that the PKs give up on the past. j/k

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Natan
So in short, Lal claims that he, and not the council, is above all factions and the rightful ruler of Chiron, because an organization from a dead planet declared him so over a century ago.

Not exactly. That is, Lal does not consider himself a ruler of very much at all, he merely does not consider the U.N. dead. I suppose that technically, you could say that it is the Council that IS the U.N. on Planet and that the Peacekeepers are "just another faction", equal in status to anybody else. The Peacekeepers, however, do not see things quite that way. They still see themselves as the U.N. Peacekeeping Forces, with the same authority as this body had - or was supposed to have - back on Earth. In a way, they DO consider themselves the only "legitimate" authority on Planet. You know, this whole thing WAS a U.N. mission all along. So, as long as the Council hasn't specifically instructed them NOT to do so, the Peacekeepers will go about enforcing the U.N. Charter any way they can, and on their own if necessary.

Originally posted by kassiopeia
I always considered Lal's authority over others hazy, at minimum. First of all, Captain Garland was the commanding officer and leader of the mission, but I don't have evidence of Lal being the Second Commander. I always thought Ship Surgeon's were on a different branch in command hierarchy.

Actually, Yang was the Executive Officer (XO) on board, which means that he was technically Second in Command of the whole Unity mission. And yes, Lal would be in a totally different branch of the hierarchy. (Precisely this is one of Yang's main objections to Lal being in the position he is. However, Yang was busy building his Hive and never wanted to command the Peacekeepers.) Lal did seem to have some kind of special status on the Unity Mission, but he wasn't actually in command of very much at all except the medical stuff.

Secondly, like Natan pointed out, who cares about the UN? Lal's whole power is based on it, so naturally he cares, but really... I don't disagree with the human rights sections (so far ) but does the Charter state that the "highest UN official" should take command?
And if this is so, then accepting the UN charter would basically mean accepting Lal as your leader. And I see no reason why an independent faction would agree to this.

Lal's not into power. He's just into keeping his dream alive and doing what he believes is right and good for everybody. (-Except maybe a few criminals who should never have been trusted with power in the first place!)

As for the U.N. Charter, it says nothing about who you leader should be. It is simply a set of rules, sort of like a Code of Conduct, governing how the U.N. should act, how individual leaders and governments should act, and how people in general should be treating each other. So, there is precisely nothing in there that places Lal in charge of anything at all, but there IS justification for him to slap your fingers when you break the rules...

[Guardian]

Re: Wow

Originally posted by Sprayber
I'm away for two days defending my country and a flurry of activity takes place. Where to start?

Defending your country? Like, National Guard? Me too! (In Norway, that is... )
Was supposed to have all my stuff at home so I can move out on short notice, kind of like the Minutemen of the American Revolution. Wife found out that they were gonna give me a rifle to take home and ammo for it too , and... well, she threw a BIG fit about not having weapons in the house. So... I had to write a letter to my unit and beg them to please not send a weapon home with me. Want to know what happened? They gave me a bigger gun! So, all of a sudden, I was a machine gunner... Reason: you don't take a machine gun home with you, even if you ARE a National Guard. So, it solved my problem on the home front, but now I have to drag that big dog around with me every time I'm in the field... (It weighs almost 30 pounds - about 13 kg - and that's not including any ammo... )
Anyway, enough of that...

Sparta will continue to walk the fine line that it has walked for 17 years. I've been reading up on the Pelopnnesian War. Sparta's advice would be that the PKs give up on the past. j/k

-And just what was that supposed to mean, eh? Do you think we'd still hold a grudge? Now, where would you get that idea from??!?

Nah... seriously, the Peacekeepers (even the "pro-war" ones) are no longer seeking revenge, but we still don't trust you Spartans very much...

[Sprayber]

Re: Re: Wow

Originally posted by Guardian
Defending your country? Like, National Guard? Me too! (In Norway, that is... )
Was supposed to have all my stuff at home so I can move out on short notice, kind of like the Minutemen of the American Revolution. Wife found out that they were gonna give me a rifle to take home and ammo for it too , and... well, she threw a BIG fit about not having weapons in the house. So... I had to write a letter to my unit and beg them to please not send a weapon home with me. Want to know what happened? They gave me a bigger gun! So, all of a sudden, I was a machine gunner... Reason: you don't take a machine gun home with you, even if you ARE a National Guard. So, it solved my problem on the home front, but now I have to drag that big dog around with me every time I'm in the field... (It weighs almost 30 pounds - about 13 kg - and that's not including any ammo... )
Anyway, enough of that...

Yeah I'm in the National Guard. That's why I love the Spartan Militia so much. In April, We will be going to Germany for a month of training. But we keep our weapons at the armory. Of course we would have a little more warning than you guys would.

[Guardian]

Re: Re: Re: Wow

Originally posted by Sprayber

Of course we would have a little more warning than you guys would.

I should hope so for your sake.

Last time was a disaster in our end...
By the time someone thought about mobilizing, the Germans were already pouring in...
The National Guard had no part in that fiasco though. We were formed after the war to keep it from happening again! (That's why we don't take the time to stockpile all weapons between each time we go out. Only the heavy stuff stays in the armory.)

[Mr. President]

I get the impression I'm not a very popular Planetary Governor.

If I understand the situation correctly, Lal and Roze, and possibly Deirdre as well, will be gunning for Morgan at the next Council. I do not yet know whether he can rely on Yang and Santiago's votes; I am almost certain Miriam will either abstain or vote for another candidate. (Are people allowed to abstain?) So Cha Dawn and Domai could become very important. In the case of Dawn, economic assistance will certainly come into the equation. For Domai, Morgan Industries could help provide a market for his industrial power, either directly or through our position as Governor (which we have a good chance of retaining if Domai votes for us ).

[Sprayber]

Santiago would of course like to be PG. But since that isn't very lilely to happen she would vote for someone not in the Chiron alliance. If Morgan would like her votes, then I'm sure that a credit transfer and or tech transfer would be more than enough to secure her vote for Morgan. Even though the Spartans and Cult aren't officially at war, Santiago views them as meanace to society as a whole and would like to see morgan sale arms to the believers instead.

As for the Spartan relation with the alliance. It depends on who you talk about

PK--they are tolerated and there are currently efforts to convince them that some of their allies are not as friendly as they seem. They see Lal's attempt to assert UN supremacy as dangerous. And will continue to watch for signs of a more aggressive stance by the likes of Braddock.

Gians--The Spartans are indifferent to them. As long as they refrain from entering the Beliver-cult war on the side of the cult then Sparta has no animosity towards them.

Cyborgs--The Spartans are slightly concerned about the cyborgs simply cause they don't really trust machines that are part human. But Sparta is content to leave them be for now.

Data Angels--Very little official contact. See them as a possible weight against the Pirates in the future. Unofficially the former leader(Kessel) allowed classified lists of cult of war members to be send to Data angels so that the cult would be destroyed. locations of secreat cult bases were also transmitted.

Pirates--Viewed as main threat to Spartan security. Privately the Spartans kind of admire the Pirates and if things were different, would pursue a friendly policy towards them. Can you imagine an alliance between the Pirates and Spartans? Planet would be theirs for the taking. But as it is, fate as set them on a possible collision course.

[DarkCloud]

Originally posted by Mr. President
I get the impression I'm not a very popular Planetary Governor.

If I understand the situation correctly, Lal and Roze, and possibly Deirdre as well, will be gunning for Morgan at the next Council. I do not yet know whether he can rely on Yang and Santiago's votes; I am almost certain Miriam will either abstain or vote for another candidate. (Are people allowed to abstain?) So Cha Dawn and Domai could become very important. In the case of Dawn, economic assistance will certainly come into the equation. For Domai, Morgan Industries could help provide a market for his industrial power, either directly or through our position as Governor (which we have a good chance of retaining if Domai votes for us ).

For Morgan for Planetary Gov.
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University
Hive?
Spartans (helped them, not a lot during the last war)

Against
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Lal
Deidre
Cyborgs

Unknown
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Free Drones (for morgan if trade)
Believers (For morgan if he supports them, but they really don't like his materialistic influences)
Cult of Planet (for Morgan if they support him, but they really don't like his pollution)

(People are allowed to abstain)

For the techs, just copy the techs another faction has, make sure that you have 3-5 less than the Cyborgs and University. Then choose which ones you want to replace some of them. There was a formula (designed by me) but we have elected to ignore it.

[Mr. President]

Yang and/or Santiago may eventually be able to trade their support for Morgan's campaign for his support for future gubernatorial campaigns of theirs, should the situation change.

Not an ideal situation (obviously Morgan would rather remain governor) but if worst comes to worst, it's an option.

P.S. When does the game begin? I'm getting really psyched up for the Council, and after.

[Guardian]

Working on the second part of my history (2183 - 2200) right now. Will post it in another little while. I believe I see the Hive replacing Sparta as the Peacekeepers' no. 1. adversary.
I suspect Yang won't mind being seen as such...
He'd gladly send us all off to labor camps right now if he could. :banned:

[Guardian]

Well, duh! Looks like I'm gonna have to eat my words again here...
Sorry about that, but I really I have to get some sleep here...
I'll post my history thing tomorrow. Bye 4 now!

[Sprayber]

Kass--you never did comment on the history of Spartan involvment in the beliver-cult war. I just wanted to make sure its ok

Guardian--Sparta will be your friend if you want. we can send advisors to the PK island and teach you guys the art of war.

how are we going to start this thing? do we start it with the planetary council, cause there are some things that the Spartans would like to bring up there.

[Natan]

The Hive will be behind Morgan; even though Yang would like to be governor himself, he will not tolerate Lal as governor. The Hive wants to maintain its alliance with Sparta and to get new allies against the Chiron alliance, and it also wants to completely discredit Lal and the PKs. Basically, Yang feels threatened by the Chiron alliance and wants to smash it, or at least create an effective counter-alliance. Finally, he really doesn't like the Drones.

My e-mail is njrabkin@twcny.rr.com

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Guardian--Sparta will be your friend if you want. we can send advisors to the PK island and teach you guys the art of war.

Are you serious?
Hmmm... well, it IS an interesting idea, although perhaps a little premature at this point. I guess Kessel and/or Santiago could start preparing the ground though, if this is what they want. People like Braddock take a while to convince, but they may come around eventually. As for advisors... well, we could send advisors too. -But perhaps you don't really need to learn how to fight Spartans...

Originally posted by Natan
The Hive will be behind Morgan; even though Yang would like to be governor himself, he will not tolerate Lal as governor. The Hive wants to maintain its alliance with Sparta and to get new allies against the Chiron alliance, and it also wants to completely discredit Lal and the PKs. Basically, Yang feels threatened by the Chiron alliance and wants to smash it, or at least create an effective counter-alliance. Finally, he really doesn't like the Drones.

Lal, of course, is going to run for governor again. The Peacekeepers will also be doing some fancy diplomatic footwork in order to keep their allies and defend their position as Peacekeepers. Also, will put a lot of resources up against anyone trying to discredit them, so it won't be an easy job. And the thing about feeling threatened is a rather mutual experience; Peacekeepers feel threatened by Yang and will do what they can to keep him at bay. Finally, the Peacekeepers will be likely to support the Drones.

In short: This does not bode well for peace and stability, but makes for an interesting game!