The Chiron Chronicle: Discussions (Restart 3)

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Kass--you never did comment on the history of Spartan involvment in the beliver-cult war. I just wanted to make sure its ok

Sorry, I have been a bit occupied lately
I have nothing to add, sounds fine.
Mr. President: The Believers will back you up in the election, if you are willing to pay for it

[DarkCloud]

Starting... I suppose we will start when LMP seconds it. Which will probably be after Guardian posts the rest of his history. And Mr P oks and reads the Morganites history that I wrote.

I think we will start about two weeks to 1 week before the new planetary elections to allow the intrigue to build up.

[Guardian]

Okay, I finally got my history up to date. Please check out the "PK History Volume 2" in the History an Summary thread and let me know what you think... (Yeah, I wrote A LOT again... )

By the way, I altered the events on the Western Continent a little... It seems the Peacekeepers were really more or less all over the place over there, not just on/around the Gaian border. Also added a naval task force and marines making an amphibious landing...

As matters stand right now, it looks like our relationship to other factions will be something along these lines...


Spartans: Well, I guess it really didn't take a lot, but things are A LOT better than they were 20 years ago! We still have opposing interests and are still kind of watchful towards each other, but nowadays, a Spartan and a PK might actually meet up and have a talk, and then both go home afterwards. 20 years ago, any and all such meetings would have taken place on a very strict "kill or be killed" basis.

Hive: Uh, oh! Better watch out here... They do NOT like us and we do NOT like them. We also do NOT feel comfortable living so near each other. (i.e. on the same planet...) From the PK side, we're currently trying to ease the tensions a little, but we will only bend so far...

Pirates: Relations are still fairly cordial between us, although there have been a few minor "bumping" incidents where we've both tried to assert naval dominance in the same area at the same time. The U.N. Navy is still dwarfed by the Pirates and we're not going to try to compete with them, but we do reserve the right to send our navy wherever we think it needs to be.

Data Angels: They're still our friends, but maybe not quite as close as we were starting to get in 2183??

I don't know about this really. What do you say Argo?? (The Peacekeepers will certainly try to stay friendly with you.)

Cyborgs: Things looked bad for a while. Now they look a little better again. We'll see if it lasts...

Gaians: I believe they may be a little annoyed with us after the recent pushing and shoving over on the Western Continent, but I hope we're still on friendly terms... (We're currently trying to cool things down and repair any damage done...)

Believers: Not doing too great with you guys, are we? Oh, poor little Believer, was the big nasty Peacekeeper mean to you when he got angry? Well, the cute, nice little Peacekeeper is back now and she will try to set things right for you all. -But then you'll have to talk to her, let her in and show her what your problems are, etc...

Cult: I'm sorry, but we're gonna have to act neutral here. The nice, cute little peacekeeper will stay with you indefinitely, but the big nasty Peacekeeper can't protect you if you're bad...

Morgan: You greedy little bastard! You'd better watch yourself, cause we are! (watching you, that is... ) Any more dirty tricks from you might make us very ANGRY!!!!!
-but of course, if you do behave, we will be interested in trading with you...

University: Hey! What are you doing? Hey! Be careful with that thing! Hello! We're talking to you! We said watch i... OH NOOOOOO!!!! Now look what you've done! You'd better be more careful next time or we'll have to get mad at you too! -And you'd d@mned well better not test any of that sh*t on people!!!!!!

Drones: We hear your nasty uncle Yang is still after you...
Let us know if you need anything, okay?

Oh, and by the way, it WOULD be nice if your industry got a little cleaner. We could help you out with the technology...


Okay, I think that's about it for now...
Once again, feel free to let me know if you have other ideas.

[Kassiopeia]

I am waiting for the map to get base details...

a.helin@phpoint.net

[Argonaut]

Well Guardian,

The Data Angels are a little concerned about how pushy you've been getting overseas. WE certainly wouldn't like it if you started stomping all around Angel territory, poking your nose in our business. But, as long as you're doing it to people we don't know, we really don't mind one bit! And if you wanted to do it to people we don't like.... hmpguniversity.... morgan excuse me, then that would be great! Just don't piss off TOO many more people, cause we don't want to have fight ANOTHER war. Although we could take another base from Morgan. That would be nice.

Which brings me to another point, THERE IS NO WAY THE ANGELS WILL LET MORGAN GET BACK IN AS GOVERNOR!!!!!!!!

Just thought I'd voice my dissent at being left off the "opposed to Morgan list"

[Guardian]

Okay, it sounds like the Data Angels are still our best friends in the Universe.

Always nice to have friends...

Oh, and of course, we do understand your concerns about these... ahem... somewhat unfortunate circumstances on the Western Continent, and... (*cough*)... well... sorry Gaians! Wasn't our intention to stomp on you people. We just sort of had to go through you to get where we needed to go... We'll try not to do it again anytime soon...

As for Believers/Cult... well, you know what? I think we need to talk...

[Kassiopeia]

Keep it for the game, Guardian. But I'll just say that Miriam is not on an apologetic mood

[Sprayber]

I think that Santiago would be interested in hearing some offers for her votes.

Morgan-No problem with voting for Morgan if the price was right. And I'm sure that if he stoped supporting the Cult of Planet compleatly, we could pursuade the Believers to vote for you as well. If the got something to take the sting out of voting for the material seeker Morgan/

Roze-Once again Santiago would have no problem voting for Roze if the incentives were right. She has been told by her advisor (Marshal Kessel) that the Data Angels are a faction that we can do buisness with when the time is right.

Lal-Well, even though she gets very annoyed at hearing the same old stuff over and over again. And considering it would annoy our ally the Hive, there would have to be major concessions to get a Santiago vote.

Yang-If Yang were to run, Santiago might consider voting for him. But he must realize that he would only get his and the Spartan vote, maybe the Believer. But not anyone elses.

[Kassiopeia]

How are the votes per faction calculated? How does one define a factions population and it's growth?
(Let it be stated, that without contraception and abortion, the Believers should have a nice population, even though they don't have Growth bonuses in the game)
It's just that I don't think have seen these in the rules section.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by kassiopeia
How are the votes per faction calculated? How does one define a factions population and it's growth?
(Let it be stated, that without contraception and abortion, the Believers should have a nice population, even though they don't have Growth bonuses in the game)
It's just that I don't think have seen these in the rules section.

Basically, we have to figure this stuff out every time we have an election, and since we're supposed to take game developments into account, I guess we really don't have any set rules on how to do it. Last time, LordLMP just sort of decided how many votes each faction should have. He explained how he had figured it out and it made sense, so we just went with it. I don't know how he plans to do it this time, but probably something similar.

Originally posted by kassiopeia
Keep it for the game, Guardian. But I'll just say that Miriam is not on an apologetic mood

Big surprise there...

Originally posted by Argonaut
WE certainly wouldn't like it if you started stomping all around Angel territory, poking your nose in our business.

Then don't start going on crusades and shooting at everything that moves. (At that point, it stops being your business...)

Originally posted by Sprayber
Lal-Well, even though she gets very annoyed at hearing the same old stuff over and over again. And considering it would annoy our ally the Hive, there would have to be major concessions to get a Santiago vote.

Let's see... last time I checked my PK - Spartan dictionary, I believe something like this translated into something like "Don't even DREAM about it!"

[Argonaut]

Last time we did the vote via one vote per faction. (Actually, I think Lal got a bonus vote) Population wasn't taken into account for simplicities sake. I assume that's the way it would happen again. GMs?

My, I do enjoy this agreeable Santiago.....hmmmmm....what goodies could I come up with.....hmmmmm....

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Argonaut
Last time we did the vote via one vote per faction. (Actually, I think Lal got a bonus vote) Population wasn't taken into account for simplicities sake. I assume that's the way it would happen again. GMs?

YES! That's ideal. It gives anyone the chance to run for election, and it really adds up to the intrigue. No the population buggers can't overwhelm.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Argonaut
Last time we did the vote via one vote per faction. (Actually, I think Lal got a bonus vote) Population wasn't taken into account for simplicities sake. I assume that's the way it would happen again. GMs?

My, I do enjoy this agreeable Santiago.....hmmmmm....what goodies could I come up with.....hmmmmm....

Ummm... I think the 1 vote per faction was for Zakharov's trial or whatever. I specifically remember LMP explaining why faction so and so should have more votes than so and so because of larger population.

As for Santiago... yeah, she sure is a lot "nicer" all of a sudden, isn't she?
The poor thing... maybe she's just a misunderstood genious and we all hated her guts because we thought she was an evil b*!?...

[Sprayber]

Here are some changes I made in response to the other histories.

2185 Spartan navy enters the crusier age with the compleation of the SNS Spartan. The Spartan becomes the center of the first Spartan Task Force. The SNS Sovereign is under construction and three more are tentively planned.

2186Sparta transfers military hardware to the Believers as a continuing effort to help in the distruction of the Cult of Planet. Kessel urges Miriam once again to concentrate on Cult forces and reassures her that Sparta will back the Believers.

2188 Sparta issues concerns that the Pks are treading on dangerous ground. Kessel once again assures the Believers that Sparta will continue to support their war effort if they remain focused on the Cult. New advisors arrive in the Believer capital, but most are mearly replacements and not a significant buildup.

[2194: Parade Ground is founded on the island to the east of Assissan's Redoubt. Plans are formed to lauch a new Spartan Fleet. Sparta denies any part in guerilla forces operating inside PK territory. Spartan probe teams are put on high alert to counter any possible strikes.

**2196 Sparta ignores PK protests about Spartan support for the Believers. Santiago states that Sparta is just excersing it's rights to conduct foreign policy in supporting another faction. She also threatens to send Spartan combat troops to aid the Believers if any outside power moves against the Believers. After PK soliders set up base inside Cult territory, Santiago sends limited number of Spartan troops to Believer territory. She first asks and receives permission from Sister Miriam.

2197 Hawk of Chiron is founded near the Drone border.

2198 At the request of Colonel Santiago, Marshal Kessel approaches Lal in order to calm down the situation on the Western Continent. Since Lal is already moving in that direction, things proceed without many delays. Santiago assures Chairman Yang that she will support him if PK forces continue to violate his borders.

Last day of 2199Santiago calls for Lal to remove the PK base inside the war zone as a sign of good faith.

**Kas-this one depends on you. I just thought the believers would appreciate the jester of Spartan support.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Guardian

As for Santiago... yeah, she sure is a lot "nicer" all of a sudden, isn't she?
The poor thing... maybe she's just a misunderstood genious and we all hated her guts because we thought she was an evil b*!?...

Actually I think she has come to the realization that Sparta can't take on everyone. Besides she has seen how much influence Sparta can excercise if they aren't hated by everyone. That and she has Kessel right next to her advising on how to deal with diplomacy.

Santiago-"You mean we just can't blast them"
Kessel-"um no Colonel, we have to get someone else to blast them for us"
Santiago-"But where is the fun in that"