The Chiron Chronicle: Discussions (Restart 3)

[Guardian]

Hey there!

Well, gee! It seems a lot of stuff happened in my absence...
Yes, I am still alive and yes, I'm still a Peacekeeper!

No, I haven't died or lost interest or anything like that... Just still on holiday and haven't been on line very much at all for some time...

I don't have any objections to the restart, but I'll have to get back to the historical details at a later stage. I'll return to Norway next weekend, as I need to be back at work Monday the 30th. (I'm in America at the moment...) My wife (who actually grew up here) will be staying in the States for another couple of weeks after that, so I'll be home alone for a while with plenty of time to play around with stuff like this...

In other words: you'll be likely to start seeing more of me again in another week or so...

As for the Peacekeepers, I know I'll have to rewrite their history a little when I get back, but I am assuming that at least SOME atrocities still happened in the Spartan wars... Also, I imagine the Peacekeepers will be getting more "aggressive" about snooping around in other factions' business... you know, it's NOT your own business if you violate the U.N. Charter, and... well, if "souvereignity" is used as some kind of an "excuse" for committing atrocities, then we do not recognize your souvereignity at all!

Because of this, and because we still share borders with both Sparta and the Hive, I'd say the Peacekeepers will be strong militarily. I'm NOT saying that they're going to go around targeting missiles at anyone who even looks at them funny or bends a few rules every once in a while, but they'll have the means to get tough if they really think it's necessary and they WILL have the means to defend themselves against certain neighbours they do not trust worth a dang...

Also, I don't see them sitting on their butts watching the Cult / Believer war for all these years without trying to do something about it...

[Kassiopeia]

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Also, I don't see them sitting on their butts watching the Cult / Believer war for all these years without trying to do something about it...

They *are* Peacekeepers...
Oh, and I don't think Miriam is gonna like Pk's interfering, so I guess this war will escalate in it's time.

[Guardian]

That will be the exact opposite of what the Peacekeepers are trying to do, but they're definitely not going to stand down and let a fanatic like Miriam have her way... they will try to reason with her first, but they will fight her if they must...

[Guardian]

U.N. Sea Quest

Oh, and by the way... can we say that U.N. Sea Quest was indeed nuked, but that it would be rebuilt by now?

I'd say it probably happened without approval from Sparta Command...
That is... Demeneras and his minions were on their own...
Kessel probably did some serious housecleaning afterwards...

[Argonaut]

Couple of Questions

What sort of tech level increase are we looking at? Are we going to give a basic number (perhaps adjusted so that people like the Uni and Cyborgs who have better research get extra and fanatic Believer's get a little less?)

Oh, and what's the decision on the Cult of War? Are they being nixed from the record? Or do I get to explain how they were put down in Data Angel territory for stirring up trouble?

[Natan]

Fortunately for the Hive, Yang has made military strength a real priority, with the goal being a military able to defend against the PKs and the Drones while guarding the coast from pirate invasion, and still be able to mount an offensive on one front. Of course, to do this Yang would have to concentrate technological research on getting the cloning vats (to make power values a viable option) which would mean neglecting space flight and such, but c'est la vie. The Hive is supposed to be weak in tech anyway.

[Sprayber]

Re: Couple of Questions

Originally posted by Argonaut
What sort of tech level increase are we looking at? Are we going to give a basic number (perhaps adjusted so that people like the Uni and Cyborgs who have better research get extra and fanatic Believer's get a little less?)

Oh, and what's the decision on the Cult of War? Are they being nixed from the record? Or do I get to explain how they were put down in Data Angel territory for stirring up trouble?

As far as I'm concerned Arognaut, you can go ahead and do that. I think that we should not extinguish the existence of the Cult Of War, just write that they were done away with. For the most part anyway. There may still be a few somewhere . Don't anyone worry though they won't cause trouble. Anyway go right ahead. You might even mention some anoumous help from sources in Sparta. Unconformed sources that is. Kessel never really did like the cult and would have gotten rid of them before Santiago came back. It might make for some interesting dynamics if someone in Sparta had helped, if only with information, in the elimination of the cult in Angel territory.

[Cyber]

Here again.
LordLMP, I'm fine with the description of CoP doings and current military situation you gave. I was thinking about finding the old Admin stuff about CoP by Blake and modify and use it.
About the mixed human/mindworm, I think the idea is great!
How much of the CoP territory is covered by fungus, and how much can the CoP use the fungus for eg. nutrient production with their current knowledge and tech status?

The CoP should start to find allies among the other factions, though it has an unofficial friend in terms of trade and coop - Morgan, as LordLMP stated. The University could be a valuable ally also.

Guardian- is the peacekeeping frenzy of PKs directed towards the Believers or the CoP? you must remember that the CoP helped the Peacekeepers in the second Spartan War and are a target of agression in this war.

Kassiopeia- From finland, huh? Hyva nahda suomalaisiakin taalla.

Argo- I like your idea about the Denaira(or whatever) island situation and how it should be treated.

I have to apologise to you all, for I wont be able to write decent posts for for a while still...

[DarkCloud]

Guardian- Your plan for the Peackeepers sounds good. The Peacekeepers would benefit from doing more 'peacekeeping'

If the PK's are 'peacekeeping' in territories controled by enemies of Zakharov, he will support them and encourage them... It will give him more power- the PK's will be slightly weakened by patrolling Chiron, and Zakharov won't have to worry about enemies declaring war on him.

Tech level increases... How about
60% research= 6*20 years= 120 divided by 4= 30 tech points
etc.

Or we could
60% research= 4*20 years= 80 divided by 2= 40 tech points

If we do-
Adjustments, they would be 10%+ Data Angels, Cyborgs, University

(I do not think that we really need to do adjustments... please say what you think about this.)

10- Cult of Planet, Believers

[Clear Skies]

If we don't get adjustments, what's the point in factions running Knowledge? Or even in taking on a tech-bonused faction to start with?
My vote goes for adjustments. Cyborgs get +20% research at the start, and since they are now running Knowledge it's +40% net.
Gaians are also running Knowledge, so +20% for them.

[Guardian]

Guardian- is the peacekeeping frenzy of PKs directed towards the Believers or the CoP? you must remember that the CoP helped the Peacekeepers in the second Spartan War and are a target of agression in this war.

Umm.. the Peacekeepers don't work that way.
That is... it is not a "frenzy" that is "directed against" one side or the other. -At least not initially, but i suppose things could happen along the way if one side or the other clearly stands out as the "bad guys"...

Yes, I do remember that the Cult of Planet helped the Peacekeepers in the second Spartan War, but it was part of the deal all along that this "alliance" existed only for the duration of that conflict.

The Peacekeepers are going to be extremely careful about "taking sides" in a conflict between two different groups of religious fanatics. We don't really support either of you. We just think you should leave each other (and everyone else) alone!

[Argonaut]

I agree with Smac Fanatic that research oriented factions and those running knowledge should get an advantage. So how about a bonus for University, Cyborgs and Gaians, and then leave it at that (unless someone else is running knowledge)? That seems fair to me.

Now, I'm not too sure about your two equations there (sorry, I'm a typical arts student ). I'll go with either, just let me know whether it's 40 or 30. I'll update my admin for 30 now, and I can add later if necessary.

[Guardian]

U.N. Sea Quest again...

Hey, I got a different idea about U.N. Sea Quest...

How about this...

There WAS an incident at U.N. Sea Quest, but it wasn't a nuking and the base was never completely destroyed.

Some rogue Spartan probe operatives shipped in a boatload of explosives and blew the stuff sky high when they realized that they couldn't escape. The explosion caused extensive damage and loss of life, but not as bad as the nuke would have been.

I kind of like it, as I've come to see the Sea Quest incident as an "interesting" story element. This way we can keep the incident in a somewhat more "reasonable" form. So, how about it?

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[[LordLMP]]

Cult of Planet is in a way a religious faction, else they wouldn't be called a Cult :P And according to Blake, Cult is pretty advance in green explorer techs, so the Cult would be able to attract nutrients and energy, and some minerals. But the minerals yield wouldn't be as good as getting them from multiple of mines, which could be the reason why the Cult's Industry ain't the best due to lack of mineral resources. they would of course get decent amount of Energy, especially solar collectors on top and along the Pholus Ridge, which may also have a lot of untap minerals resources which cannot be accessed due to fungus. Can say by 2200, 2/3 of Cult territory is covered with Fungus

So if cult is religious like, University wouldn't like that...but in other hand, University have some interest in the Cult's advance green techs.

As for the SeaQuest nuke...to keep it SMAC like, no nukes before acquiring the Planetbuster tech. and does give the SPartans to big of a black mark in that area... but could say that it was just a powerful self-destruct, which badly damaged the the seabase, making whatever is keeping it floating unstable... so they had to evacuate whatever left f the population..and when resources permit, then fix the base which luckily still mostly floating and then repopulate it. So can say it was a powerful act of sabotage instead of all out scorched earth destruction.

As for the Cult of War in my opinion shouldn't exist....but may still exist, but ain't as big as cyber made it to be...cult made out of about 500 to 1000 of crazy people :P so limiting them more into a Probe lik group then being big enough to have Cult of War units and not as influencial in the Spartan Faction and not big enough, or strong enough, to go infiltrare other factions and try to "convert" peace/freedom loving people.

Same with th Perfect Society, where it is only a small organization limited to probe like stuff and not to much influence in both Morgan and University. they may end up fade from history. the organization may be disguise as some Stock Firms and some companies operating in University.

I see the Cyborgs or University to have shot the first Satellite. then data angels, pks etc....

So the most advance factions would have Space Flight, while some still researching it. all the factions would have Missile Weaponry and some starting to build Chaos units....Cyborgs and University close to Fusion Power and Fusion Lasers..

I am not interested in depending on mathematical equations to get tech as it is unrealistic and can't keep up with the story, so no point. So we would have to use our judgement and common reason to decide who gets what.

-LordLMp

[[LordLMP]]

Re: U.N. Sea Quest again...

Originally posted by Guardian
Hey, I got a different idea about U.N. Sea Quest...

How about this...

There WAS an incident at U.N. Sea Quest, but it wasn't a nuking and the base was never completely destroyed.

Some rogue Spartan probe operatives shipped in a boatload of explosives and blew the stuff sky high when they realized that they couldn't escape. The explosion caused extensive damage and loss of life, but not as bad as the nuke would have been.

I kind of like it, as I've come to see the Sea Quest incident as an "interesting" story element. This way we can keep the incident in a somewhat more "reasonable" form. So, how about it?

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Haha, thats what i just suggested so you must of wrote that and sent while i was writing mines. I am good with it and also won't a big arse black mark to the Spartans. They Warriors, not murderers.

-LordLMp