NFL 2013 Season Thread

[Al B. Sure!]

How many of them mention the fact he was 0-2 starting that year, ranking third on the team? The fact that he wasn't even a .500 QB, let alone a good one, let alone even the best one on that Gibbs Redskins team?

Doug Williams is a trivial pursuit question. Warren Moon, OTOH, is a legend.

We all know (well everyone but you knows) that Doug Williams was a very mediocre QB who had the game of his life. It just happened he had it in the Super Bowl.

What you are also ignoring is that the Redskins had a QB controversy between Jay Schroeder and Doug Williams in 1987. Dig a little deeper.

The Redskins were struggling against the Eagles in Week 1 when Schroeder (0/3 0yds) was injured and replaced by Williams who orchestrated the win, going 17/27 272yds 2TDs.

The Redskins were struggling against the Lions when again Schroeder (5/10 33yds) got pulled. Doug Williams got the win, going 11/18 161yds 2TDs.

Again, Jay Schroeder would struggle against the Vikings (9/17 85yds 2INTs) and Williams was subbed in and put together an OT win with 2 touchdown tosses.

In the playoffs, Joe Gibbs decided Williams was the better QB. The argument is easy to see statistically:

Schroeder completed only 48% of his passes, threw only 170yds a game, and threw 12TDs to 10INTs with a 71.0 passer rating.

Williams completed 56%; threw 231yds/game, 11TDs and only 5INTs with a 94.0 passer rating.

Saying Williams went 0-2 as a starter is misleading because he won three games coming in for a benched Jay Schroeder when the Redskins were either down or scoreless and, more importantly, went 3-0 in the playoffs.


You have to understand, Schroeder was the young stud and the perception was that Doug Williams' career was over. That is why Gibbs kept benching Schroeder but going back to him the next game only to bench him for Williams again and again.


I know the 1987 Redskins QB controversy might seem a little obscure but it was significant at the time and has gotten a lot of talk over the last two years with people alluding to it because of Robert Griffin and Kirk Cousins.

Here's the NFL video talking about it:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d81113398/Top-Ten-QB-Controversies-Williams-vs-Schroeder

[Ben Kenobi]

We all know (well everyone but you knows) that Doug Williams was a very mediocre QB who had the game of his life. It just happened he had it in the Super Bowl.

Notable for being the worst NFL QB ever to win a superbowl. Hostetler has fewer TDs, but has a winning record. Williams, has the fewest wins of any superbowl winning QB.

In the playoffs, Joe Gibbs decided Williams was the better QB.

He wasn't even the second best, but I guess when you're the 80s Gibbs run QB, it doesn't matter.

Saying Williams went 0-2 as a starter is misleading

Not when the other backup went 3-0. Seems it didn't really matter whom you plugged and played.

You have to understand, Schroeder was the young stud and the perception was that Doug Williams' career was over. That is why Gibbs kept benching Schroeder but going back to him the next game only to bench him for Williams again.

Which explains why the other backup QB went 3-0? I don't see it. Williams played on the dominant team of the time and fluked out. Worst superbowl winning QB of all time. Didn't even get 40 wins, total.

I know the 1987 Redskins QB controversy might seem a little obscure but it was significant at the time and has gotten a lot of talk over the last two years with Robert Griffin and Kirk Cousins.

I knew about Dilfer and I knew about Brad Johnson, being terrible superbowl winning QBs, but I didn't know about Doug Williams, the worst of them all. So thanks for bringing that to my attention.

[Al B. Sure!]

He wasn't even the second best, but I guess when you're the 80s Gibbs run QB, it doesn't matter.

Not when the other backup went 3-0. Seems it didn't really matter whom you plugged and played.

Which explains why the other backup QB went 3-0? I don't see it. Williams played on the dominant team of the time and fluked out. Worst superbowl winning QB of all time. Didn't even get 40 wins, total.

Doug Williams was the backup QB. He won 3 games coming off the bench and won 3 games in the playoffs, including the Super Bowl. Gibbs had enough faith in him over Schroeder to start him in the playoffs.

Do I really need to explain why you're an idiot or are you going to figure it out yourself? Doug Williams was the backup QB.

[Ben Kenobi]

Doug Williams was the backup QB. He won 3 games coming off the bench and won 3 games in the playoffs, including the Super Bowl.

Ed Rubbert was the backup he won 3 games for the Redskins in 88. Williams was third string going 0-2.

Do I really need to explain why you're an idiot or are you going to figure it out yourself. Doug Williams was the backup QB.

Rubbert was the backup QB. He won 3 games for the Redskins, and then got injured. Then Williams got the job back. Without Rubbert, they would not have won the division.

[Al B. Sure!]

Ed Rubbert was the backup he won 3 games for the Redskins in 88. Williams was third string going 0-2.

Rubbert was the backup QB. He won 3 games for the Redskins, and then got injured. Then Williams got the job back. Without Rubbert, they would not have won the division.

****ing Shane Falco doesn't ****ing count

You can never speak on football again.

[Ben Kenobi]

****ing Shane Falco doesn't ****ing count

So the Redskins are going to hand back the same three wins that got them into the playoffs? Thought not.

I'm not sure which is sadder. That Williams won a superbowl, or that he did worse than his replacement pulled off the street.

[Al B. Sure!]

This might have taken the cake. Just when you thought Ben couldn't get any worse, he does this


And we're done

[Ben Kenobi]

This might have taken the cake. Just when you thought Ben couldn't get any worse, he does this

Did the Redskins give Rubbert a super bowl ring? I'm curious about this now. Williams, even if we give him full credit for three wins went +1 in terms of net wins. Rubbert went +2 if we don't give him credit for the third.

In terms of actual contribution to reaching the playoffs, Rubbert contributed more than Williams. I'd say Gibbs owes Rubbert a ring.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ok, says that Rubbert who went on IR and stuck with the Redskins did get a ring. Good for him. Now, Albert, since Joe Gibbs thinks that Rubbert was worthy of a ring, what do you have to say about it all? If Williams didn't show up for work, he should have been fired.

Seems I was correct. Williams was second string, lost his job to Rubbert who got injured opening the door for Williams to come back in as the backup, who later won the championship. Wow, what a crazy season.

[Donegeal]

Al, just put him on ignore. You're going to get a concussion banging your head against the brick wall.

[Al B. Sure!]

We really should get psychology graduate students to come here to take a look at the marvel that is Ben Kenobi.

[Ben Kenobi]

We really should get psychology graduate students to come here to take a look

That's gonna work great with an -Albert Speer tag

[Ben Kenobi]

PS, that Strength of Victory metric clearly did all those other teams behind the Chargers a lot of good

Only SoV above .500 is significant.

The only other team in the history of the NFL with a higher strength of victory is the 2005 Patriots.

[Ming]

And your point is what?
They lost to some crappy teams, finished third in their division, barely made it to the playoffs, and won a single post season game.

Gee, the 2005 Patriots, finished 10 - 6, won a single playoff game, and lost to Denver in the second round... Sounds familiar.

So why is SoV such an important stat?

[snrjefe]

It's not. That's why it's between "best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference" and "strength of schedule"
in the tie breaker hierarchy. By the time two teams get that far down the list, just play a ****ing tiebreaker game. I would guess that under the higher order criteria the Chargers don't come out ahead, hence resorting to this bull**** metric. For someone who is all about old-timey wisdom, you would think Ben understands the adage "any given Sunday" but whatever. Ignore user is a beautiful thing.