NFL - Are You Ready For Some Football?! - Off Season

[Al B. Sure!]

Close playoff games... that are close because Peyton Manning has a so-so game because the success of the Colts hinges entirely on his shoulders. It's not because the pressure is on. It's because he has a game that isn't fantastic so it comes down to the wire because the rest of the team can not overcome a so-so game from Manning. That just speaks to how critical he is that his playoff performances that happen to be mediocre take place in games that become close losses.

Your sample excludes these games that were all whoopings... Does Peyton's stats not count here? Why?

22/26 377 yards 5 TD's against Denver in the playoffs in 2003
458 yards 4 TDs 1 Rush TD against Denver in the playoffs in 2004
377 yards 3 TDs in AFC championship game vs. Jets

The first one there, Peyton Manning's first playoff win, was possibly the greatest playoff performance by a QB in NFL history.

[Ben Kenobi]

Even DLs are trolling Albert.

[SlowwHand]

Put in dropped passes and then talk to me about Romo.

[Al B. Sure!]

Put in dropped passes and then talk to me about Romo.

The dude has had Terry Glenn, Terrell Owens, Jason Witten, Roy E. Williams, and Miles Austin to throw to.

Next year, he'll have the league's best 3-WR, 1-TE combo in Austin, Williams, Dez Bryant, and Witten.

Dropped passes is somehow your accuse Romo is and has always been loaded with receiving talent.


Frankly, I'm pretty sure Romo's stats are inflated because of his receivers. TO made Tim Rattay look good. Give Romo an average receiving cadre and he wouldn't be so hot.

[Al B. Sure!]

As a side note, Mark Sanchez has a paltry 70.2 regular season QB rating that skyrockets to a 94.3 in the playoffs. That's a playoff QB. Sanchez is like the anti-Romo.

[SlowwHand]

And once again you show how misinformed you are about the Cowboys.

[Al B. Sure!]

And once again you show how misinformed you are about the Cowboys.

Excuse me?

Are you saying TO is not possibly the 2nd greatest WR to ever play the game?

Are you denying the talent of Jason Witten? Miles Austin?


Romo has been absolutely blessed with weapons all around him his entire starting career. He's always had an elite TE and AT LEAST one superstar WR.

[SlowwHand]

Excuse me?

Are you saying TO is not possibly the 2nd greatest WR to ever play the game?

Are you denying the talent of Jason Witten? Miles Austin?


Romo has been absolutely blessed with weapons all around him his entire starting career. He's always had an elite TE and AT LEAST one superstar WR.

I'm absolutely telling you that your evaluation of Owens is way off the mark. I never said that Witten and Austin aren't talented, but after that, as far as receiving, has been not top tier.
Your last point is wrong by default, based on my rebuttal of Owens and a supporting cast, like a 3rd receiver. You're as much of a slut, in regard to Romo, as I kid Imran about being.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm absolutely telling you that your evaluation of Owens is way off the mark. I never said that Witten and Austin aren't talented, but after that, as far as receiving, has been not top tier.
Your last point is wrong by default, based on my rebuttal of Owens and a supporting cast, like a 3rd receiver. You're as much of a slut, in regard to Romo, as I kid Imran about being.

You are smoking crack if you don't think TO was an elite WR during his time with the Cowboys. Even last year in Cincinnati, he was pretty damn solid for a guy from the same draft class as Marvin Harrison, Keyshawn Johnson, Eric Moulds, Amani Toomer, Muhsin Muhammad, Eddie Kennison, Terry Glenn, etc. Holy **** is TO old as ****.

But the guy came to Dallas still at the peak of his career and was dominant til the very end of his Dallas career.

Terry Glenn was also one of Romo's WR's his first year as a starter, by the way.


Supporting cast? Who needs a 3rd receiver when you have an elite TE?

And they had a 3rd receiver. Patrick Crayton.

Right now, Romo has Miles Austin, Roy E. Williams (who was elite in Detroit), Dez Bryant, and Jason Witten. What is there so hard to understand about him being absolutely loaded with supporting talent?

Tell me another QB in the NFL with more weapons than Romo.

[SlowwHand]

Don't talk to me anymore about football, especially not the Cowboys. I guess you can, but don't expect a response.

[Al B. Sure!]

Don't talk to me anymore about football, especially not the Cowboys. I guess you can, but don't expect a response.

You're mad you're wrong. So mad.

No QB really has had as much talent at the WR and TE positions than Romo the past few years.

[Al B. Sure!]

Eagles: As good as Desean Jackson and Maclin are, Brent Celek is no Witten and Jason Avant is a poor man's Patrick Crayton with less TDs. This group was much worse only a few years ago.
Giants: Too early to say much about Nicks, Manningham, or Smith, each of whom has had one breakout season; Kevin Boss is no Witten, anyway.
Redskins:
Bears:
Packers: Okay. Driver, Jennings, and Jones/Nelson is a good analogue. Finley is no Witten yet but okay this is comparable receiver group.
Vikings: Sidney Rice, for all his accolades, has had one good season and has been injured a lot in his 4 years in the league.
Lions: This group may be getting there but it's not Dallas-level yet.
Bucs: Nope.
Panthers:
Saints: If Shockey were young and there was a clear-cut #2 not the mess that is the WR's behind Colston... but no, this group aint Dallas-level.
Falcons: Get them some talent behind Roddy White and with Tony G, that would be a good group.
Rams:
Seahawks:
49ers: Like the Falcons, the lack of a #2, let alone a #3, WR leaves this receiving corps lacking compared to Dallas.
Cardinals: Who the hell plays TE for Arizona? Larry Fitz is elite but is Steve Breaston better than Roy E. Williams? Probably not. Still have no TE, anyway. A couple years back with Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston, this would have been more comparable to Dallas.


Since Romo became QB of the Cowboys, he has been blessed with the best receiver group in the NFC, comparable to only the Green Bay and Warner-era Cardinals corps.

Do you dispute this, Sloww? Who had a better group of receivers than Romo?

[SlowwHand]

Arizona for one.

[Al B. Sure!]

Arizona for one.

I said Warner-era Arizona (though they definitely lacked in even a usable TE) and Green Bay.

So out of 16 NFC teams, 1 or 2 had better or equal receivers to Dallas? And somehow that means to you that Romo didn't have the best supporting cast?

13 NFC teams have had worse receiver/TE corps than Dallas.

Martellus Bennett is a better TE than what most teams have. It's telling that Romo's old #2 TE behind Witten, Anthony Fasano, has been the starter in Miami since he left.

[MRT144]

Kevin Boss is Roy Williams. 2 less receptions, 1 more yard, same TDs.

I mean, if you're gonna do a comparison where you say an elite TE is the same as a WR you should at least keep it consistent and rank the receivers on the team, with best vs. best all the way down.

And I'd argue that PHI does have an equal group of targets. DeSean Jackson lead the league in Y/R, Maclin was tied with a bunch of dudes in TDs at 10 (And Jackson and Maclin = Witten and Austin in total TDs), Celek and Avant put up similar yards and receptions as Bryant and Williams but with far less TDs.

The Giants also could make a claim as being nearly as good a receiver corps as DAL if it wasn't for all the tipped and dropped passes into INTs. I watched quite a few Giants games last year and OMG...it was hell for Eli.

The thing is though, I definitely don't think you can compare a lot of them fully because of what happens on the field and just different offensive football philosophy. For example PHI and DAL had 46 and 39 total offensive TDs in the year. Give Avant 4 more TD catches, and take away 4 rushing TDs on PHI and if I did a blind test of name that team it would be a lot harder to distinguish. In the case of DAL, I don't really think it's a case that the WRs are so good but that their RBs are not so good. What's amazing is that PHI had such a good offense both passing and rushing last year so I'd give a lot of credit to PHI's WRs for putting up the numbers they did.

I'd also put DET as a team where they did a great job with the ****ty QB situation. Calvin Johnson carries the team obviously but pettigrew did good work in being a viable target who was targeted often.