NFL - Are You Ready For Some Football?! - Off Season

[ColdWizard]

Jim Zorn hired as Chiefs QB coach.

[Supr49er]

Im also siding with the players but hope a rookie cap is in place

This is my stance also.

[SlowwHand]

Ditto. And good for the Chiefs. Smart hire.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think it's the fans who should be going on strike.

You know, it's quite easy for you to do this... just don't watch the NFL or buy anything NFL related.

[Ben Kenobi]

What the hell sense would any of that even make?

KC is only 500 miles from Chicago and 800 from Pittsburgh. KC is 1600 miles from San Diego.

If the goal is to reduce travel times, have the divisions like this:

AFC West

Seattle Seahawks
San Francisco 49ers
Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers

NFC WEST

Denver Broncos
Arizona Cardinals
Dallas Cowboys
Houston Texans

AFC SOUTH

Miami Dolphins
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Carolina Panthers

NFC South

Atlanta Falcons
New Orleans Saints
Tennessee Titans
St. Louis Rams

AFC North

Cleveland Browns
Cincinnati Bengals
Indianapolis Colts
Detroit Lions

NFC North

Minnesota Vikings
KC Chiefs
Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers

AFC East

Pittsburgh Steelers
New England Patriots
Buffalo Bills
New York Jets

NFC East

Philadelphia Eagles
Baltimore Ravens
Washington Redskins
New York Giants

[Ben Kenobi]

What site has stats that are saying that my Cunningham numbers are wrong?

Your statement of his average over his 4 best years was incorrect, you were wrong against his favour.

As for Plummer, yeah I took a quick glance. You are correct that he only had 4 seasons over 3000 yards, with a 5th at 2800 yards. Didn't have time to post correction.

[Ben Kenobi]

I see Cunningham in the same category as Drew Bledsoe, Phil Simms, Boomer Esiason, etc.

As a passer? No. As a passer Cunningham is far closer to Delhomme and Plummer than Testaverde.

Testaverde is by definition, 'hall of the very good.' He had a decent peak, 4000 yard season, 10 years averaging 3000 yards. He's better than Esiason et al. His comp is Bledsoe.

Pro bowls are absolutely irrelevant.

[Al B. Sure!]

Your statement of his average over his 4 best years was incorrect, you were wrong against his favour.

As for Plummer, yeah I took a quick glance. You are correct that he only had 4 seasons over 3000 yards, with a 5th at 2800 yards. Didn't have time to post correction.

Plummer? You mean Delhomme.

And what are you talking about? How was I wrong?

1987: 2786 passing; 505 rushing
1988: 3808 passing; 624 rushing
1989: 3400 passing; 621 rushing
1990: 3466 passing; 942 rushing
1992: 2775 passing; 549 rushing
1994: 3229 passing; 288 rushing
1998: 3704 passing; 132 rushing

Where are my Cunningham numbers wrong?

The four healthiest years in a row were 87 (12 games played), 88, 89, and 90.

In those years, he had 3 seasons with over 4000 total yards (88, 89, 90).

He averaged 673 yards rushing (505, 624, 621, 942).
He averaged 3365 yards passing (2786, 3808, 3400, 3466)

Isn't that what I said?

He averaged 673 yards rushing per season those four years.

Not to mention averaging 3365 yards passing in those 4 healthiest years with the Eagles.

How in the hell are my numbers wrong, Ben? WHAT THE ****?!

[Al B. Sure!]

As a passer? No. As a passer Cunningham is far closer to Delhomme and Plummer than Testaverde.

Testaverde is by definition, 'hall of the very good.' He had a decent peak, 4000 yard season, 10 years averaging 3000 yards. He's better than Esiason et al. His comp is Bledsoe.

Pro bowls are absolutely irrelevant.

HOLY ****!

TESTAVERDE IS BETTER THAN ESIASON?!!! And et al?! Who is included in that el al?

Yo... I'm about to lose my mind. On what planet was Testaverde better than Boomer?!

And even if Cunningham was equivalent to Delhomme or Plummer as a passer, who the hell cares? Give me a Delhomme or Plummer who can also rush for 600+ yards a season (and had a 900 yard season) and you have a Pro Bowl QB!

Does anyone here disagree with that assessment? That even if Cunningham was only par with Delhomme as a passer, that that 'average' passing ability combined with Cunningham's incredible running ability would make Cunningham one of the better QB's of his era automatically?

[Al B. Sure!]

Assorted opinions of Ben:

Doug Flutie was better than John Elway, Jim Kelly, Boomer Esiason, and Randall Cunningham
Doug Flutie was like 'Peyton Manning with Cunningham speed'
Jake Delhomme is better than Randall Cunningham
Kerry Collins is better than Phil Simms
Vinny Testaverde was better than Boomer Esiason
Testaverde and Dave Krieg were better than Randall Cunningham





I can't take it anymore. Are any of those positions even defensible?!

[Ben Kenobi]

1988: 3808 passing; 624 rushing
1989: 3400 passing; 621 rushing
1990: 3466 passing; 942 rushing
1998: 3704 passing; 132 rushing

Average is 3594 yards passing. Why are you using 'healthiest', when the average of his 4 best passing years is nearly 300 yards higher?

[Al B. Sure!]

Testaverde is by definition, 'hall of the very good.' He had a decent peak, 4000 yard season, 10 years averaging 3000 yards. He's better than Esiason et al. His comp is Bledsoe.

WHERE DID TESTAVERDE HAVE 10 YEARS AVERAGING 3000 YARDS?! WHERE?

Here is the passing yardage from every year of Testaverde's 21 year career:

1081, 3240, 3133, 2818, 1994, 2554, 1797, 2575, 2883, 4177, 2971, 3256, 96, 3732, 2752, 499, 1385, 3532, 777, 29, 952

Where? There is no 10 year stretched where he averaged 3000 yards.

Even in the bolded 10 year stretch which was his best (and mind you, he played on THREE different teams [Bucs, Browns/Ravens, and Jets] during that stretch) he still averaged only 2815 yards passing! NOT 3000 yards!

Only if I SELECTIVELY pick his 10 best years:
4177, 3732, 3532, 3256, 3240, 3133, 2971, 2883, 2818, 2752
Can I come up with 10 years in which he averaged 3000 yards but what the hell is that?!

[Al B. Sure!]

Average is 3594 yards passing. Why are you using 'healthiest', when the average of his 4 best passing years is nearly 300 yards higher?

Because it was broken up.... what the hell sense is there in getting an average if I selectively pick the best seasons?!

Now the Testaverde retardation makes more sense.

[Ben Kenobi]

Doug Flutie was better than John Elway, Jim Kelly, Boomer Esiason, and Randall Cunningham

In his prime, yes, yes he was. He was better than Moon, and I presume you'd rank Moon ahead of Elway, Kelly, Esiason and Cunningham.

Doug Flutie was like 'Peyton Manning with Cunningham speed'

He's the best QB I've had the pleasure of watching.

Jake Delhomme is better than Randall Cunningham

I never said that. I said that Cunningham, as a passer, is closer to Delhomme and Plummer than he is to Testaverde.

Kerry Collins is better than Phil Simms

Collins had 10 years averaging 3200 yards, 5 years averaging 3700 yards passing, and 1 4000 yard season.

Simms had 10 years averaging 2970 yards, 5 years averaging 3550 yards passing and 1 4000 yard season.

Vinny Testaverde was better than Boomer Esiason

Esaison has 10 years averaging the 3k/year but has 5 averaging 3560. Testaverde had a stronger peak, and played longer.

[Al B. Sure!]

In his prime, yes, yes he was. He was better than Moon, and I presume you'd rank Moon ahead of Elway, Kelly, Esiason and Cunningham.

HOLY ****?! Doug Flutie was better than Warren Moon, too?!

He's the best QB I've had the pleasure of watching.

You must not watch too much football then.

I never said that. I said that Cunningham, as a passer, is closer to Delhomme and Plummer than he is to Testaverde.

Yes you did. You said it right here:

Had 5 years over 3000 yards, which makes Delhomme superior to Cunningham.

Collins had 10 years averaging 3200 yards, 5 years averaging 3700 yards passing, and 1 4000 yard season.

Simms had 10 years averaging 2970 yards, 5 years averaging 3550 yards passing and 1 4000 yard season.

Simms won a Super Bowl. Simms was a SB MVP. Simms had one of the best games ever played by a QB in that Super Bowl. Simms also led his team to the playoffs before getting hurt and Hostetler won a SB. He should deserve some credit for that as well.

Kerry Collins was an alcoholic racist.

Kerry Collins also has the distinction of being the only QB to be unable to have success with a young Randy Moss. Cunningham, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, and Culpepper had no problem lighting the game up with a young Moss but Collins couldn't.

Esaison has 10 years averaging the 3k/year but has 5 averaging 3560. Testaverde had a stronger peak, and played longer.

Who the hell cares that Testaverde had a single 4000 yard season in a 4-12 year with the Ravens?! That didn't mean he was good! Look at his years around that year! He threw for 2883 yards the year before and 2971 yards the year after. That 4000 year was an aberration brought on by losing damn near ever game and being forced to throw to play catchup.

Strong peak my ass