Fantasy Football Discussion Thread

[Al B. Sure!]

I had a feeling the Raiders would be just good enough to score a lot of field goals.

But not when it mattered most

[Ben Kenobi]

You had one thing right about my matchup EPW. It is matchup of the week.

[snoopy369]

Gates, my cheque is in the mail.

You're aware that if you spell the word 'check' incorrectly in Texas, you can be given the death penalty, right? Or at least be deported?

[Ben Kenobi]

Yeah, I have to get used to that, no s, no que, no frenchie looking words.

[-Jrabbit]

Hm, Leon Washington and CJ Spiller both well over 20 points today. Whoodathunkit?

And, uh, apparently the San Diego special teams have some work to do.

[Donegeal]

So Starting Vick over Brady did make a difference in my game. Since Eli went off, starting Vick at least go me close enough to not loose the passing category 10-0. I just lost it 7-0. Not only that, but his 30 yards rushing allowed me to not lose the rushing category 10-0. Only lost that one 7-0. Both Vick and Brady threw 3 TDs, but Vick also ran one in, scoring 15 points in the TD category. While the TD was nice, it was not enough to put me over the edge for a 10-0 win in TDs. Just a 7-0 win for that one. I also won Receiving 7-0 and defense 7-0. He has Kicking right now (7-0) so it's a tie game 21-21. I have Mason Crosby going Monday night. If he scores 7 kicking points, I would still lose the Kicking category, but I would lose it 7-3, gaining me three points in score giving me a 24-21 win. Very much like a real football game. (If he scores 9 K points, the kicking category is a tie and is scored 3-3. If he scored 10 or 11, I win 7-3. 12 to 18 scores the cat 7-0 me. 19 or more is 10-0 me. Get it? Easy as cake. Piece of pie.) (I'll give you a pat on the back if you can tell me what movie those two quotes come from)

[Al B. Sure!]

So Starting Vick over Brady did make a difference in my game. Since Eli went off, starting Vick at least go me close enough to not loose the passing category 10-0. I just lost it 7-0. Not only that, but his 30 yards rushing allowed me to not lose the rushing category 10-0. Only lost that one 7-0. Both Vick and Brady threw 3 TDs, but Vick also ran one in, scoring 15 points in the TD category. While the TD was nice, it was not enough to put me over the edge for a 10-0 win in TDs. Just a 7-0 win for that one. I also won Receiving 7-0 and defense 7-0. He has Kicking right now (7-0) so it's a tie game 21-21. I have Mason Crosby going Monday night. If he scores 7 kicking points, I would still lose the Kicking category, but I would lose it 7-3, gaining me three points in score giving me a 24-21 win. Very much like a real football game. (If he scores 9 K points, the kicking category is a tie and is scored 3-3. If he scored 10 or 11, I win 7-3. 12 to 18 scores the cat 7-0 me. 19 or more is 10-0 me. Get it? Easy as cake. Piece of pie.) (I'll give you a pat on the back if you can tell me what movie those two quotes come from)

I just don't see how you can play like that. The points associated with the yardage differential seem so arbitrary.

[-Jrabbit]

It sounds pretty goofy.

But it appears someone has devised a system that produces scores that sound like football scores. And if that's what floats your boat, why the heck not?

[Donegeal]

You want to talk arbitrary? Then talk about your typical FFL. 10 yards rushing or rec counts as 1 point. 15 or 20 yards passing equals 1 point. It makes no difference who your opponent is or which players they play. You still get those points. That is the definition of Arbitrary. If team A beats team B and team B would beat team C, team A would automatically beat team C.

In a category system that doesn't hold true. Just because your 150 yards rushing won you the rushing category 7-0 against one opponent, doesn't mean that you'd win 7-0 against everybody. In the NFL, teams have strengths and weaknesses, in a Category system, so does a FF team. Look at your opponents roster. If they are strong at receiving and passing, but weak at Rushing, play your players to their weakness. Start a goalline RB who gets poor yardage but scores TDs left and right. A WR who gets rushing yards could put you over the top in the Rushing category if your opponent is a weak rusher. There are levels upon levels of strategy in a category scoring system.

[Al B. Sure!]

It's arbitrary because who says 150 yards rushing equals 7 points? Actually, shouldn't 100 yards rushing equal 7 points since that's the length of the field?

And then I don't get this logic of... if your opponent is strong at receiving and passing but weak at rushing, then you can tip the scales if you out-run him... but teams can win in real life being very one-sided if they're good enough at it. In real life, your offense's production is only marginally related to your opponent's offensive production with respect to sustained drives allowing your defense to rest. None of that is represented in your system anymore than it is in normal fantasy. Nevermind the fact that this is only a very slight relationship. For the most part, one's team offensive production has no bearing or correlation with another team's offensive production

[snoopy369]

The category scoring is sort of a H2H Baseball league, except instead of straight up 'win/lose' categories, you get more or less points based on how well you won it. It's entirely arbitrary that you use 10-0 7-3 3-3 etc., of course, as opposed to 3-0 2-1 1-1 1-2 0-3, but I don't see how it's really all that 'goofy'. Just more interesting than straight up category wins, and more complex than points (as you can't just go WR heavy and win).

[Al B. Sure!]

Not only are the 10-7-3 relationship in points arbitrary since they're not in equal proportion to each other and are not in proportion to the yardage differentials but why max at 10? Why that arbitrary max?

[Donegeal]

150 yards rushing was just an example. 150 yards rushing only equals 7 points if your opponent rushes for 50-149 (ie: if you win a yardage category by less than 100 yards, you won the category and earned 7 points for that category. If you won a yardage category by 100 or greater, that is considered a blowout in the category and you earned 10 points. If you lose a yardage category, but get within 25 yards, that is considered a close loss category and you earned yourself 3 points.)

[Donegeal]

There are always going to be arbitrary things in FF. There are just less of them in this category system. Plus, the 10-7-3 system imitates football scoring.

[snoopy369]

Arbitrary is a terrible word for either of you all to use. ALL scoring systems are arbitrary, in that they are defined by someone arbitrarily. There's no non-arbitrary scoring system for any game. Donegeal's scoring system is interesting and different, and a reasonable way to score a category game if that's what you prefer. I think that claiming it is 'more realistic' than regular FF is ... incorrect; it produces scores more like a regular football game, but I could design a near infinite number of rules sets that would act similarly. I think it would be better to say that it produces more complex games, in that you have to do well in all aspects of the game and not be a one dimensional team in order to win; and if you win a category by a lot, then you get more points for it. 10-7-4-0 is really the scoring system (7-3 is 4), which is essentially 3-2-1-0, isn't it? Just more 'footbally'.