AHL- Apolyton Hockey League III-- Olympic edition

[Asher]

Alexander Burrows proved that he was the superior player so far this season. And yes, he was cut, despite out producing Iginla.

Holy ****ing ****.

You are such a ****ing liar.

Burrows played on a line with a couple all-star players and produced 51 points.
Iginla played on a line without all-star linemates and produced 57 points, while also providing other qualities not in these statistics (Olympic experience, leadership experience, better rounded game, etc).

What the **** is your problem?

[Asher]

I've played against all-star teams in Soccer. It was routinely considered the best game of the season, the all-stars versus the defending champion. My job was to shut down whatever forward they came out to start.

And yes, at least that coach routinely put out his weaker squad until he got a few goals down.

When we played league games, we'd go up a few goals and then put on all the scrubs on offense. The only thing that kept us from winning three years away is when our starting defense went down on the other side in the playoffs, and we were upset.

The idea was to get everyone involved, and to rest up the players who would be needed later. The end result is that everyone was very productive not just the stars, because they all got decent starting time.

My coach only did that for forwards though. Midfield and defense were on as long as he could run it. He'd run 5 wide and put everybody out at forward to try to get a quick lead.

The stupidity in your posts in this thread is criminal.

[Pekka]

Alexander Burrows proved that he was the superior player so far this season. And yes, he was cut, despite out producing Iginla.

Ah, ok. We also dropped one of the best Finns out of the team in Jussi Jokinen. IMO a huge mistake. He can actually score, and holds the NHL record for most penalty shots successfully scored in a row (just to show you that he has some hands we could use).

We regularly drop better players in sake of getting chemistry with the lines working. I don't know this Burrows (haven't been following NHL this season enough), but the only reason I'd see him been dropped is that the coach thought Iggy fits better with this line than Burrows does, and it would come down to how you build your team. Around who? Or around what strategy.... we can all agree it can't be just top 25 in terms of points. I would easily prefer + - statistics over personal points in many cases.

It might be that Burrows wins Iggy in all of these, I'm just speculating that there are many legitimate reasons why better player in points would not make the cut versus a weaker one.

Is Nash-Crosby-Burrows better than the same with Iginla? I don't know. What their roles would be? Like in Ruutu-M. Koivu-Filppula, it's all about Koivu being hard worker and stealing pucks, making plays and those passes while Ruutu can score, throw his body around and be tough and Filppula is the fast one, lacks in strength where the other two don't.

[Ben Kenobi]

And this is why Calgary is in trouble.

You don't look at the easy games to determine who's going to carry your team.

You look at the hard games.

[Ben Kenobi]

but the only reason I'd see him been dropped is that the coach thought Iggy fits better with this line than Burrows does, and it would come down to how you build your team

Iggy is the sentimental holdover from the 2000 team. That's the only reason he was picked at the start of the year. Burrows is having his breakout season this year and is the young gun. Nash Crosby Burrows, would have Burrows as either the finisher from Crosby as the setup man. He's been the catalyst for elevating the Sedin line to the number one line in the NHL.

[Asher]

Iggy is the sentimental holdover from the 2000 team.

THERE WAS NOT EVEN AN OLYMPICS IN 2000!

****ing hell you are ignorant.

[Asher]

Ah, ok. We also dropped one of the best Finns out of the team in Jussi Jokinen.

TO BE CLEAR...Burrows is NOT one of the best Canadian players and he has demonstrably NOT outperfomed Iginla in this season or ANY other. Ben is immensely ignorant as usual.

It might be that Burrows wins Iggy in all of these, I'm just speculating that there are many legitimate reasons why better player in points would not make the cut versus a weaker one.

It's not. Burrows is not as well-rounded a player as Iginla, Burrows is not as strong as Iginla, Burrows is not as impassioned as Iginla (he's more apt to dive and then cry than fight another player), Burrows is not as intimidating as Iginla, and Burrows is not as good at scoring as Iginla. Look at Burrows' powerplay numbers...they're awful. He's a good player, he's not an elite player and he's certainly no Iginla. Burrows also hasn't made many friends in the league with his drama queen antics recently and may very well have been a distraction on the team.

Is Nash-Crosby-Burrows better than the same with Iginla? I don't know.

Definitely not.

As a side note, Burrows has been slumping going into the Olympics and Iginla has been hot.

Burrows has a whole 2 points in the last 7 NHL games, Iginla has 6 points in the last 7 NHL games (3 goals in the last 2 games total...6 goals in his last 3 games if you include the Norway game )

[Flubber]

Alexander Burrows proved that he was the superior player so far this season.

(I ran to lunch with this screen up so Asher has undoubtedly responded but )

1. Your statement above is opinion.
2. It is demonstrably false that this opinion would have been shared by the leadership of hockey Canada since they chose Iginla.
3. I would bet that in a NATIONWIDE poll asking hockey fans or in a poll of NHL general managers asking "which player would you rather have on your team, Iginla or Burrows?"-- It would be Iginla by a wide margin

And yes, he was cut, despite out producing Iginla.

hmmm-- according to nhl.com

Iggy 27-30-57
Burrows 26-25-51

Tell men ben how is fewer goals and fewer assists "out-producing"?? Your statement is demonstrably false.




Oh and this leaves aside the argument that it is easier to get points when paired with an 80 point Henrik as your center versus the revolving door of Jokinen,Langkow, Conroy and now Stajan.

[Ben Kenobi]

3. I would bet that in a NATIONWIDE poll asking hockey fans or in a poll of NHL general managers asking "which player would you rather have on your team, Iginla or Burrows?"-- It would be Iginla by a wide margin

Are these the same people that believe that Gretzky is the top Canadian hockey player? People are stupid.

I would hope that Iggy would score higher than Burrows, considering this is his break out year.

Oh and this leaves aside the argument that it is easier to get points when paired with an 80 point Henrik as your center versus the revolving door of Jokinen,Langkow, Conroy and now Stajan.

Oh, so points don't count? It's only when you play with crappy linemates that your points count for something?

I see how that's very applicable to this talent-bereft Olympic team.

Look, the Sedins are playing well, no question, but why is it this year even though Daniel went down, that the Sedins are more productive then before they were paired with Burrows? Can't you admit that Burrows is making the Sedins better too?

[Asher]

Are these the same people that believe that Gretzky is the top Canadian hockey player? People are stupid.

I would hope that Iggy would score higher than Burrows, considering this is his break out year.

Are you going to respond to the fact that you've been demonstrated as a liar yet again, or try to ignore it?

Why have you no integrity?

[Ben Kenobi]

TO BE CLEAR...Burrows is NOT one of the best Canadian players and he has demonstrably NOT outperfomed Iginla in this season or ANY other. Ben is immensely ignorant as usual.

Iggy is a RW, Burrows is a LW. Canada is very stacked at C, but thin at LW. Burrows is one of the top Canadian LW, and should have made the team. I'm not surprised he didn't because this is his break-out season and the Olympics are more about recognition of players who have performed well over the years.

It's not. Burrows is not as well-rounded a player as Iginla, Burrows is not as strong as Iginla, Burrows is not as impassioned as Iginla (he's more apt to dive and then cry than fight another player), Burrows is not as intimidating as Iginla, and Burrows is not as good at scoring as Iginla. Look at Burrows' powerplay numbers...they're awful. He's a good player, he's not an elite player and he's certainly no Iginla. Burrows also hasn't made many friends in the league with his drama queen antics recently and may very well have been a distraction on the team.

Yeah, and Iggy is God incarnate and the best player on Canada. Let's make a different bet then. Iggy won't be the top performing Canadian by the time the games are done.

Straight up. Is this a deal?

As a side note, Burrows has been slumping going into the Olympics and Iginla has been hot.

Looking at the last two months, this is not the case. Burrows has outperformed Iginla over that period.

2 months >>> 2 weeks.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you going to respond to the fact that you've been demonstrated as a liar yet again, or try to ignore it?

Iggy is the last holdover from the gold-medal winning team. How is this a lie? Yes, I got the year wrong (should have been 2002), but that's different from a lie. Saying that he is the sentimental holdover is the truth, he's no longer a top NHL forward these days. Putting him on the first line is sentimental, not based on his performance over the season. Yzerman said he wanted 'vet leadership', that is a keyword for 'giving the old guys one last kick at the can'.

[Flubber]

Last points on all this Burrows stupidity

1. Burrows was not invited to the training camp for the team
2. Among right-wingers Martin St Louis was the leading scorer in the league and did not make the team.
3. A player was added who was not at camp-- Patrice Bergeron
4. Many names were mentioned as other players or alternates-- I saw no mention of Burrows anywhere
5. Burrows is so OBVIOUS a choice that when a Toronto Sun writer AND an NHL digest writer separately suggested a second team with 13 forwards --it did NOT include Burrows http://www.torontosun.com/sports/van.../12308241.html or

http://www.nhldigest.com/alternate-team-canada/

6. I watch tsn regularly and none of macguire mackenzie or ANY ELSE had Burrows on the team or on their watch list. Both had Iggy as an obvius choice.

But please please lets take bens word for it-- After all, he played all star soccer once.

Can we please stop the Burrows stupidity now?

[Asher]

Yeah, and Iggy is God incarnate and the best player on Canada. Let's make a different bet then. Iggy won't be the top performing Canadian by the time the games are done.

Straight up. Is this a deal?

**** off. This is ****ing retarded.

The point is Iginla is a better player than Burrows. You stated Iginla should not have made the team, the fact that he may not be the top performing player at the end of the tournament doesn't reinforce that ****ing ridiculous claim of yours.

Looking at the last two months, this is not the case. Burrows has outperformed Iginla over that period.

2 months >>> 2 weeks.

Oh, **** off.

Looking at the whole season, this is not the case. Iginla has outperformed Burrows over that period.

4 months >>>> 2 months.

Looking at the past ten years, this is not the case. Iginla has outperformed Burrows over that period.

10 years >>>> 2 months.

****ing hell, Ben, ****ing hell.

[Asher]

Iggy is the last holdover from the gold-medal winning team. How is this a lie?

I'm referring to your ****ing claims that Burrows "outproduced" Iginla this year. ****ing douche.

Yes, I got the year wrong (should have been 2002)

The fact that you casually got that year wrong shows how little you ****ing know. That doesn't make you a liar.

But claiming Burrows outproduced Iginla when in this very thread, prior to that statement, I've demonstrated how Iginla outproduced Burrows...that makes you a liar.

Putting him on the first line is sentimental, not based on his performance over the season. Yzerman said he wanted 'vet leadership', that is a keyword for 'giving the old guys one last kick at the can'.

****ing ******. Did you see the game?

Iginla played the first period on the FOURTH LINE and played only TWO MINUTES. It wasn't until he was moved up to the 1st line to start the second that the game opened up, off Iginla's goal of all things. He got over 3x as much icetime per period from there on out.

This is NOT giving him a prominent spot based on his legacy, it was quite the opposite! He started on the last ****ing line. Iginla earned it because he was the best player on the ice, period. Anyone who saw that game knows that. ****ing hell.