NFL - Are you Ready For Some Football?! - Wild Card Round!

[Tuberski]

As for Flutie, the reason he was successful is because he had great field awareness, mobility and leadership. Sure he was small, but his talent made up for it.

He wasn't successful!!!!!!

He was successful in the CFL against people that couldn't make it in the NFL or Arena Football.

ACK!

[SlowwHand]

He started. Now, he's making more on TV than on the field. What do you people want?
He could buy you and throw you away and never notice. I want to be unsuccessful, too.

[Tuberski]

He started. Now, he's making more on TV than on the field. What do you people want?
He could buy you and throw you away and never notice. I want to be unsuccessful, too.

What does that have to do with anything?

He's rich and has his charity. I'm not disparaging the person.

He wasn't a great quarterback.

Why do you keep knocking Obama? He's rich, can buy you, throw you away and wouldn't even notice.

ACK!

[Ben Kenobi]

You know that slowwy and I know that, but let's let them think otherwise.

[Ben Kenobi]

He wasn't successful!!!!!!

100 tds isn't successful? I'd hate to see a failure.

He was successful in the CFL against people that couldn't make it in the NFL or Arena Football.

He was dominant in the CFL in the way no one else has or since.

Dominant in the CFL, Successful in the NFL = Great QB.

[Ming]

I thought "some" might find this interesting

Here is a listing of passer ratings for every quarterback in NFL history who has attempted 1,500 passes.

Rank Player Rating
1 KURT WARNER 97.2
2 Steve Young 96.8
3 Joe Montana * 92.3
4 JEFF GARCIA 88.3
5 PEYTON MANNING 88.1
6 DAUNTE CULPEPPER + 88.0
7 BRETT FAVRE 86.9
8 Otto Graham * # 86.6
9 Dan Marino 86.4
10 TRENT GREEN 86.1
11 TOM BRADY + 85.9
12 MARK BRUNELL 85.2
13 RICH GANNON 84.7
14 Jim Kelly * 84.4
15 BRAD JOHNSON 84.117
16 STEVE McNAIR 84.076
17 Roger Staubach * 83.4
18 BRIAN GRIESE 83.0
19 Neil Lomax 82.7
20 Sonny Jurgensen * 82.63
21 Len Dawson * 82.56
22 AARON BROOKS + 82.1
23 Ken Anderson 81.9
24 Bernie Kosar 81.827
25 NEIL O'DONNELL 81.816
26 Danny White 81.7
27 Troy Aikman 81.6
28 Dave Krieg 81.50
29 Randall Cunningham 81.47
30 Boomer Esiason 81.1
31 Warren Moon 80.9
32 Jeff Hostetler 80.48
33 Bart Starr * 80.47
34 Ken O'Brien 80.44
35 Jeff George 80.42
36 Fran Tarkenton * 80.35
37 STEVE BEUERLEIN 80.3
38 Dan Fouts * 80.2
39 John Elway * 79.9
40 CHRIS CHANDLER 79.8
41 Tony Eason 79.7
42 Elvis Grbac 79.6
43 DONOVAN McNABB 79.3
44 Mark Rypien 78.9
45 Jim Everett 78.6
46 Phil Simms 78.5
47 Bert Jones 78.21
48 Johnny Unitas * 78.20
49 Jim McMahon 78.18
50 JEFF BLAKE 78.127
51 JAY FIEDLER + 78.071
52 Bobby Hebert 78.0
53 Frank Ryan 77.61
54 Jim Harbaugh 77.60
55 Joe Theismann 77.4
56 Bob Griese * 77.1
57 Bill Kenney 77.0
58 DREW BLEDSOE 76.7
59 Erik Kramer 76.64
60 Gary Danielson 76.58
61 DOUG FLUTIE 76.3
62 GUS FREROTTE 76.1
63 Stan Humphries 75.8
64 JON KITNA 75.7
65 Wade Wilson 75.6
66 Steve Bartkowski 75.4
67 VINNY TESTAVERDE 75.363
68 Ken Stabler 75.308
69 Scott Mitchell 75.279
70 Steve Bono 75.273
71 TIM COUCH 75.136
72 Norm Van Brocklin * 75.070
73 Sid Luckman * 75.0
74 Chris Miller 74.9
75 Don Meredith 74.84
76 Brian Sipe 74.80
77 Y.A. Tittle * # 74.3
78 Roman Gabriel 74.29
79 Steve DeBerg 74.24
80 Earl Morrall 74.1
81 Craig Morton 73.5
82 RODNEY PEETE 73.3
83 KERRY COLLINS 73.1
84 Don Majkowski 72.95
85 Daryle Lamonica 72.944
86 Greg Landry 72.938
87 Ron Jaworski 72.78
88 Tommy Kramer 72.77
89 TONY BANKS 72.5
90 Bubby Brister 72.28
91 John Brodie 72.27
92 Milt Plum 72.22
93 Sammy Baugh * 72.21
94 Billy Wade 72.19
95 Jay Schroeder 71.7
96 Bill Kilmer 71.6
97 Bill Munson 71.5
98 JAKE PLUMMER 71.2
99 TRENT DILFER 71.1
100 Lynn Dickey 70.94

Flutie comes in at 61st, and in such fine company with Erik Kramer, Gary Danielson, Gus Frerotte, Stan Humphries, Jon Kitna.

Seviceable is the word that comes to mind with these guys

[SlowwHand]

Thanks, but that's not the only criteria. For instance, Flutie is ahead of such people as Stabler, Norm Van Brocklin, Sid Luckman Sammy Baugh and Y.A. Tittle.
Do you see the problem in using simply passer ratings? I don't think stats of any kind mean all. This list certainly doesn't. Ten are ahead of Brady and 47 are ahead of Unitas.
The whole list is evidence of the flaw in using it.

[Ming]

I never said it was the ultimate guide. I included it to put some perspective on things. Granted, there are many other factors, such as leadership and the ability to win. Two things Flutie didn't excell at in his NFL time

[Ben Kenobi]

49 Jim McMahon 78.18

Geez, I really see your point Ming. The Bears were so much better with McMahon.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The Falcons are making me sad .

Oh well, if anyone told me a year ago, I'd be sad the Falcons couldn't reach the second round the playoffs, I'd call 'em crazy.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The Falcons are making me sad .

Oh well, if anyone told me a year ago, I'd be sad the Falcons couldn't reach the second round the playoffs, I'd call 'em crazy.

[Ming]

49 Jim McMahon 78.18

Geez, I really see your point Ming. The Bears were so much better with McMahon.

Actually they were. Good enough for a Super Bowl. And as I stated, that is just one of the factors.
McMahon had both leadership skills and knew how to win. Something Flutie NEVER had in the NFL.

[Ming]

The Falcons are making me sad .

Oh well, if anyone told me a year ago, I'd be sad the Falcons couldn't reach the second round the playoffs, I'd call 'em crazy.

It's not over yet... they are only down by 6 with plenty of time left. You give up hope so easily

[Imran Siddiqui]

If the Falcons could stop the Cardinals any, I'd say you were right .

But they can't.

[Imran Siddiqui]

See, it's not that I'm giving up hope easily, it's that I learn to face reality quickly .