AHL- Apolyton Hockey League 07/08: VI They brought their ****in' toys with 'em!

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Moreau got the extra 2. No complaints on his part.

He got it in the end, how did Phaneuf know that the second he yelled at the ref? He didn't, and he made sure the ref knew the elbow was thrown. That's part of the game, all the players in the league do that.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by notyoueither




What I am commenting on is him being a tough guy with a visor.

I see no problem with this-- He's a good hockey player and many of them choose to protect their eyes

Originally posted by notyoueither

. It's pushing around small forwards after the whistle.

He hits everyone-- I recall the Pittsburgh game where it was "no quarter" either way with all their big guys. LOts of nice hits and Phanneuf was in his glee. He's no worse or better than any dman for after whistle pushing

Originally posted by notyoueither
It's the late hits.

Thats just bullcrap.

Originally posted by notyoueither
The false bravado.

It isn't false. He is one cocky son of a gun. I don't know that I would like him as an individual.

Originally posted by notyoueither
It's crying to the ref when he plays hard, gets clocked, and then cries about the consequences of the style of his own play.

I attend at the dome a lot and I haven't seen this at all. When he gets rocked clean I don't think there is anything said. Your example is one where you cite clear additional fouls by the Oiler that so it sounds like a complaint was warranted

[Flubber]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Moreau got the extra 2. No complaints on his part.

It seemed it was completely deserved

[notyoueither]

Of course it was. He gave him the wing in the chops.

Is anyone saying otherwise?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flubber


I see no problem with this-- He's a good hockey player and many of them choose to protect their eyes

He fights with it on.

He hits everyone-- I recall the Pittsburgh game where it was "no quarter" either way with all their big guys. LOts of nice hits and Phanneuf was in his glee. He's no worse or better than any dman for after whistle pushing

Depending on who you talk to, he's worse.

Incidently, not talking hits. Talking being a 'big man' pushing around smaller forwards after the whistle.

There's a reason he is getting extra attention from larger forwards from other teams lately. Many players, on many teams, are tired of his schtick.

Thats just bullcrap.

I call bullcrap on your bullcrap.

Who wins?

It isn't false. He is one cocky son of a gun. I don't know that I would like him as an individual.

That's what he's going to have to deal with.

He is a very large, talented, hard hitting, mean, defenceman. He sometimes does things that rub a lot of people who aren't Flames or Flames fans the wrong way. Big time. Those things are mostly late, or completely outside of play.

Nobody's ever called him out for his hits in play that I know of. People are starting to talk about his behaviour after the play. Other teams are starting to react to this side of his character.

I attend at the dome a lot and I haven't seen this at all. When he gets rocked clean I don't think there is anything said. Your example is one where you cite clear additional fouls by the Oiler that so it sounds like a complaint was warranted

Moreau went after him for what he perceived to be a late hit on a much smaller Oiler forward.

Then Dion cries about the consequences.

That's the perception.

Dion better get used to it if he wants to continue playing the way he has been. The book is being written. You can knock him off his game if a big forward gets in his face. The refs won't care when he plays like a bad guy, with a visor, smacking small guys around.

It's the code.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
He fights with it on.

In the Moreau fight, Moreau came from behind and started wailing on Phaneuf and he had no time to take off his visor/helmet:

Depending on who you talk to, he's worse.

Yes, Oiler fans seem particularly out to lunch on this.

There's a reason he is getting extra attention from larger forwards from other teams lately. Many players, on many teams, are tired of his schtick.

You don't think the reason he gets attention is because he hits hard, shoots hard and plays hard?

This is pure BS. If you want to make the case that "big players" from around the league are "paying attention" to Phaneuf because he rapes children, pushes around small players til they cry, or whatever else you're asserting..cite it. Because it's certainly not visible to those of us in reality.

I call bullcrap on your bullcrap.

Who wins?

Flubber, 'cause you've got a history.

People are starting to talk about his behaviour after the play. Other teams are starting to react to this side of his character.

Who and where, WTF are you talking about -- back this up.

Moreau went after him for what he perceived to be a late hit on a much smaller Oiler forward.

Then Dion cries about the consequences.

That's the perception.

You see what you want to see. Moreau went after Phaneuf from behind, threw an elbow and started fighting on a surprised player. I don't see you attacking this, even though it's not particularly honourable. Anyway, that's not the point -- Phaneuf was chirping at the ref to make sure he saw the elbow, which is not only acceptable, it's the smart thing to do.

Your character assassination attempt is amusing but fails on the grounds of being completely unsubstantiated.

[Flubber]

Looking again at the clip-- I don't call that a 'late hit" by Phaneuf-- Heck he was almost in contact with the guy who cycled the puck back behind him-- Phaneuf may or may not have seen where the puck went but either way he finished his check-- and that one was not a particularly big hit--hell it was hardly even a hit

Then Moreau mugs Phaneuf from behind and you have the gall to slam Phaneuf for the hit and then for fighting with a visor

THis is bullcrap all the way-- There is nothing at all to fault Phaneuf for in this play-- Nothing.

Oh and thats not to say he is a pleasant guy--He is cocky and I don't doubt that other players in the league will call him on that. I applaud that-- I enjoy the physical battles when another big strong guy battles Phaneuf hard (I even like the fights when its real hockey players that are legitimately peeved at each other that fight-- The ritualistic battles between the 'heavyweights" while somewhat interesting to see, generally leave me cold)

But if that hit is your idea of a 'late hit' then we have a very different idea of how hockey should be played.

[Asher]

I don't think he was expecting the video to show up. His rhetoric is much more effective without it.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Flubber
I'm a bigger Montreal fan than even Calgary and I just don't see this team doing it in the playoffs. I do not think they have addressed their need for better size/toughness. Perhaps I am being unduly harsh since I watched them blow a 3-0 lead and lose 5-3 to the Rangers yesterday when the physical intensity got ratcheted up.

This is a valid concern, but bear in mind that we've got the best powerplay in the league. Can we be intimadated to the point our powerplay doesn't work ?

Also as much as I love the skills of a Kovalev, I just don't trust him to 'be there" when it matters-- I actually have similar worries about Huselius in Calgary

Don't forget the 04-05 season - Kovalev was hired as a late-season mercenary, and he did very well in the playoffs. That's the reason why he was offered a longer contract. Personally, I trust him to keep the momentum.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


This is a valid concern, but bear in mind that we've got the best powerplay in the league. Can we be intimadated to the point our powerplay doesn't work ?

Intimidated ?? perhaps not

But it is possible to be be pummeled into defeat. Montreal may be the fastest team in the league but here in Calgary I have consistently witnessed how a very fast player like Lombardi can be manhandled within the rules.

Anaheim demonstrated last year that hard physical play can be very effective. Can Montreal demonstrate this year that skill and finesse can take you deep in the playoffs? I do hope so-- but my fear is that with tighter checking in the playoffs, a lot of Montreal's smaller skilled players would falter.

I hope I am wrong but more often (not invariably) it is the tougher guy that can skate through a check that does better in the playoffs.

[Ninot]

Montreal played pretty physically against the Rangers on Sunday. Unfortunately they ran out of steam.

1 point behind the Sens and winning consistently, I like our odds.

[Asher]

Heatley is back now, though.

[Asher]

It's official: Phaneuf, 6 years @ $6.5M

Flames sign Phaneuf to 6-year extension

The Calgary Flames announced Wednesday that the club has signed defenceman Dion Phaneuf to a six-year contract extension.

Sources tell TSN that the deal will average $6.5 million US a season. Phaneuf will make $7.5 million in the first year, followed by $6.5 million in year two, $7 million in the third season, $6.5 million in each of the following two years and $5.5 million in the final season.

"It remains very important for us to lock up our key young players," said general manager Darryl Sutter in a team statement. "Our goal with Dion was to provide an arrangement that will allow him to take his game to the next level."

Phaneuf, Calgary's first pick in the 2003 NHL Entry Draft, is playing in his third season with the Flames.

The 22-year old defenceman has nine goals and 26 assists in 54 games this season. He was scheduled to be a restricted free agent this summer.

Iginla, Phaneuf, Regehr, Kiprusoff all locked-up long term.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ninot
Montreal played pretty physically against the Rangers on Sunday. Unfortunately they ran out of steam.

1 point behind the Sens and winning consistently, I like our odds.

But the odds to do what ?? I like their odds to make the playoffs-- heck even to lead the conference. AS a long-time Montreal fan I WANT to like the odds of them going deep into the playoffs and even winning it all-- but I'm just not there

[Flubber]

Oh and I didn't check back through the thread but Florida 8
Toronto 0

I know I always say that anything can happen in any given game but thats just a crazy score