Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[BlackCat]

So why accuse Russia of a war crime for evacuating children? We've supported bombing the Donbas for over 8 years.

Maybe because the children actually wasn't in any danger ? It's quite true that Ukraine has fought a war in Donbas against russians, but they haven't attacked ukrainians no matter what language they spoke.

[Berzerker]

Th easiest way for Russian troops to protect Ukrainian children is to withdraw Russian troops from Ukraine...and leave the kids behind.

Those kids were in the way of a Ukrainian advance, they'd be dead or conscripted if Russians left them behind. Azov shelled the Donbas for 8 years with our support, but now we care about children. If you're a parent in the Donbas with a teenage son, would you send him to Moscow or Kiev?

[-Jrabbit]

It's Ukrainian land. You can't blame Ukraine for retaking land from the invaders/occupiers. That's beyond unreasonable. And there is exactly zero reason or excuse to believe that Ukraine troops would endanger Ukrainian schoolchildren.

[BlackCat]

Did the Voice of Ukraine tell you that? Amnesty Int'l said Ukrainian military units were using civilian shields, they'd move weapons into civilian infrastructure, launch and move out before Russians returned fire.

Please try to find any documentation for that - that is reliable documentation, not some obscure fantasies.

[Geronimo]

Did the Voice of Ukraine tell you that? Amnesty Int'l said Ukrainian military units were using civilian shields, they'd move weapons into civilian infrastructure, launch and move out before Russians returned fire.

LOL. So you respect Amnesty International's reporting eh?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/11/ukraine-russias-unlawful-transfer-of-civilians-a-war-crime-and-likely-a-crime-against-humanity-new-report/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/latest-news-on-russias-war-on-ukraine/#russia%E2%80%99saggressionagainstukraine

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/12/russia-proposed-bill-that-removes-criminal-liability-for-war-crimes-is-impunity-made-law/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/russia-filtration-of-ukrainian-civilians-a-shocking-violation-of-people-forced-to-flee-war/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur46/6182/2022/en/

Good to know Berz

[BlackCat]

Those kids were in the way of a Ukrainian advance, they'd be dead or conscripted if Russians left them behind. Azov shelled the Donbas for 8 years with our support, but now we care about children. If you're a parent in the Donbas with a teenage son, would you send him to Moscow or Kiev?

This is kind of sad - how can Ukraians advance when they are loosing to the mighty russian army ? That shouldn't be possibe ! Ok, that is russian fantasy, so it's actually ukranians that are moving forward, freeing ukrainians - why should they kill their own? And conscripted ? Sure, many liberated ukrainians will certainly choose that when their numbers come up, but children ? I'm pretty sure that only russia would call in such.
Oh, teenage sons - I'm pretty sure that most ukrainians would prefer that they moved to Kiev to protect their values instead of becoming facist meatgrinder stuff back in moscow.

[Berzerker]

Maybe because the children actually wasn't in any danger ? It's quite true that Ukraine has fought a war in Donbas against russians, but they haven't attacked ukrainians no matter what language they spoke.

They were in danger, the mother said she dropped her kid off at the school a few days before the Ukrainian army advanced on the city. When she returned in a panic she learned Russian soldiers had evacuated the children. Let those parents and children decide if those soldiers committed a war crime. They've been killing Ukrainians ever since the coup, protesters were attacked at Maidan, Odesa, and eastern Ukraine. How many Russians were killed in the Donbas in 2014 or do Ukrainians become Russian for objecting to the coup?

[BlackCat]

They were in danger, the mother said she dropped her kid off at the school a few days before the Ukrainian army advanced on the city. When she returned in a panic she learned Russian soldiers had evacuated the children. Let those parents and children decide if those soldiers committed a war crime. They've been killing Ukrainians ever since the coup, protesters were attacked at Maidan, Odesa, and eastern Ukraine. How many Russians were killed in the Donbas in 2014 or do Ukrainians become Russian for objecting to the coup?

Doc please since it sounds a bit idiotic - you are in a war zone but still put your children into a boarding school at the possible front line - that isn't a reasonable parent.

[Ming]

How many people died before "the military action". How many have died since. And, more Russians have died since then.
I guess Mexico can attack Texas since they used to own it in the past and their are a lot of Mexicans living in Texas.

[Dinner]

Blah blah blah... you are bombing cities and civilian targets. That is bad no matter WHO does it.
It's bad when we have done it... and when others do it. And BAD WHEN YOU DO IT

And you are still doing it because your army kind of sucks at everything else.

The worse thing is the Russians seem unable to hit anything other than civilian targets which cannot move.

[Geronimo]

The worse thing is the Russians seem unable to hit anything other than civilian targets which cannot move.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/cemetery-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-world-war-ii-military-st-galician-division-who-died-battle-brody-lviv-oblast-184062570.jpg

Thousands of corroborated scenes like this suggest otherwise.

[Dinner]

I was speaking specifically about their missile systems. Their kill chain process is so long and complicated that they cannot hit movable targets in a timely fashion. Thus why Russia is forced to target buildings which do not move. This has meant they have primarily deliberately targeted civilian buildings and infrastructure. Both Bellingcat and Perun have covered this topic in the past.

[Geronimo]

I was speaking specifically about their missile systems. Their kill chain process is so long and complicated that they cannot hit movable targets in a timely fashion. Thus why Russia is forced to target buildings which do not move. This has meant they have primarily deliberately targeted civilian buildings and infrastructure. Both Bellingcat and Perun have covered this topic in the past.

They are documented to have also blown up a great many trucks disguised as HIMARs with wooden facades. I think those were semi mobile.

[Dinner]

I believe those were artillery strikes. Again, we are talking missiles here.

[Geronimo]

Ok, originally the thread topic was broader than that.

[Jon Miller]

Now that Ukraine has received F16s, do you think they will ask for bunker buster bombs?

JM