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  • Armenia - another brother country - now ungrateful for Russian peacekeeping?

    Armenia's parliament votes to join the International Criminal Court in a move that Russia had already said would be an unfriendly step. Meanwhile, there are "surreal" scenes in the abandoned enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh.

    The Armenian parliament on Tuesday voted to sign up to the International Criminal Court (ICC), a development that is expected to further sour relations with the country's old ally Russia.

    A chasm has opened up between the two countries, with Yerevan angry with the Kremlin over its perceived inaction in a long-standing confrontation between Armenia and fellow post-Soviet state Azerbaijan.

    What does the decision mean?


    Countries that sign and ratify the Hague-based court's founding Rome Statute are in theory obliged to arrest Russian President Vladimir Putin, indicted for war crimes connected to the deportation of children from Ukraine, if he were to enter their terrritory.

    In the parliamentary session, 60 deputies voted in favor while 22, mainly opposition lawmakers, cast their vote against joining the ICC.

    Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan last week tried to soothe Kremlin fears, saying the initiative was not "directed against" Russia.

    Whatever the motive, Moscow has already described the parliament's decision as an affront.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told a briefing that, while Moscow regarded Yerevan as an ally, it would have to question the country's current leadership

    Russia had previously warned Armenia against voting to ratify the court treaty, saying this would be viewed as "extremely hostile."

    Why are relations with Russia frosty?

    Former Soviet state Armenia has accused Russian "peacekeeping" troops of failing to prevent recent hostilities that it says allowed Baku to take full control of the ethnic Armenian enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh. The breakaway statelet lies wholly within Azerbaijan's territory, but it had come under the control of ethnic Armenian forces after the breakup of the Soviet Union.


    he Russian troops were deployed to Nagorno-Karabakh as peacekeepers after a 2020 war that saw the region largely surrounded by Azeri forces.

    Streets of Nagorno-Karabakh empty

    An International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) official on Tuesday described the empty streets of Nagorno-Karabakh as "surreal" with most of the ethnic population having fled to Armenia.

    Only a few hundred people remain behind in the capital of Nagorno-Karabakh, known as Stepanakert by Armenia and Khankendi by Azerbaijan, including the sick, disabled and elderly.

    "The city is now completely deserted," said ICRC team lead Marco Succi via videolink.

    "The hospitals....are not functioning; the medical personnel left; the water board authorities left; the director of the morgue also left. So this scenario, the scene is quite surreal."

    Despair among refugees

    Some of the people who fled to Armenia said the situation had been difficult even before the Azeri takeover after Baku blocked road access for several months.

    "We were starving, for several months. I could only eat vegetables from my small garden: potatoes, pumpkins, things like that. We ran out of bread at some point. We tried to bake our bread using our own grain," one refugee told DW.

    Nagorno-Karabakh mass exodus continues

    DW's reporter in Yerevan, Dmitry Ponyavin, said there was a sense of abandonment and hopelessness among the refugees at one reception center.

    "This place is being held together largely by efforts of local activists who tell us that they prefer not to send families here especially with small children as staying here can be very traumatizing for them."

    rc/msh (AFP, AP, dpa, Reuters)
    Armenia's parliament votes to join the International Criminal Court in a move that Russia had already said would be an unfriendly step. Meanwhile, there are "surreal" scenes in the abandoned enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh.
    Last edited by BeBMan; October 3, 2023, 12:22. Reason: yup
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    • Russia essentially chose Azerbaijan over Armenia years ago.
      “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

      ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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      • ​​​​​​Blinken’s father in law Samuel Pisar credited the Red Army with rescuing him from a Nazi death camp

        Ukrainian Nazi collaborators slaughtered Jews at Babyn Yar, then Kiev named the road to the memorial after Bandera

        Blinken desecrates history to rehabilitate Nazis past & present - Max Blumenthal

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        • Berz' Sources:

          Blumenthal is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for its apologetic coverage of authoritarian regimes such as the Chinese, Russian, Syrian, and Venezuelan governments, including its denial of chemical attacks by the Syrian government and of human rights abuses against Uyghurs.[10][11][12][13][14]
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal
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          • Germany will deliver a third Patriot system to Ukraine. Which is nice and surely needed esp. as winter is coming, but it's also the easy way out for SlowScholz as he took the chance to decline the delivery of Taurus cruise missiles once again.

            After anyone else moved on longer range stuff (that is Fra/UK on SCALP/StormShadow and the US on ATACMS) it is rather disappointing.

            It is completely absurd that after all this time, and after now substantial deliveries of stuff, incl. heavy arty, various anti-air sytems, tanks we are still at endlessly debating and delaying. May not be the last word, because the same occured before every major new delivery...
            Last edited by BeBMan; October 5, 2023, 13:57. Reason: Spilung
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            • Berzerker
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              its almost like they dont want Ukraine to win... what better way to rid the world of Islamic and nazi troublemakers than proxy wars

          • Originally posted by BeBMan View Post
            Berz' Sources:

            'known for its apologetic coverage of authoritarian regimes'
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal
            Known by whom, neocons, billionaires? I watch their videos and I know them to be debunkers of state propaganda. Covid, Ukraine, Russiagate, the OPCW cover up to blame Assad for the Douma gas attack and protect ISIS terrorists. Not sure what human rights abuses they're denying, I see them addressing the hypocrisy and exaggerations of the west and because the USA is so damn dishonest any claim it makes is suspect.

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            • Obama armed terrorists to destroy Syria (and the Donbas)... Our Congress overwhelmingly voted to sanction Syria shortly following two earthquakes that devastated the region and we lecture the world about human rights. When the CIA lies about Ukraine, people pointing to the truth become 'apologists'.

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              • Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

                I watch their videos and post them to spread propaganda.
                FTFY.

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                • Poor armenia. victim of genbocide by ataturk and turkey. then abandoned by the west in favor of azerbaijan's natural gas and then ignored by russia too.

                  ONLY GREECE BY ITS SIDE

                  that is why weakness should not be tolerated. the hundernds of f16 vipers rafales, belharas the most advanced and lethal navy in the mediterahnean the most militarized sea in the world (aegean)

                  Greece should be able to sting. and it will

                  togther with being democratic and of course TALK to erdogan and the turks because we need to lower our military expenmses


                  hospitals are more important

                  and even in the balkans even here, we have better health care for a fact than places like UK or the netherlands (the US doesn't even compare)


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                  • Poor armenia. victim of genbocide by ataturk and turkey. then abandoned by the west in favor of azerbaijan's natural gas and then ignored by russia too.

                    ONLY GREECE BY ITS SIDE

                    that is why weakness should not be tolerated. the hundernds of f16 vipers rafales, belharas the most advanced and lethal navy in the mediterahnean the most militarized sea in the world (aegean)

                    Greece should be able to sting. and it will

                    togther with being democratic and of course TALK to erdogan and the turks because we need to lower our military expenmses


                    hospitals are more important

                    and even in the balkans even here, we have better health care for a fact than places like UK or the netherlands ​

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                    • Nice little video
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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                      • Putin tells how it really was, ya'know, reallyreally

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                        • Berzerker
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                          FUI 10 char

                      • There will be a movie about this, working title Grenades on A Plane
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                        • Well, coke and booze fueled grenade juggling contest is certainly a novel story.
                          Libraries are state sanctioned, so they're technically engaged in privateering. - Felch
                          I thought we're trying to have a serious discussion? It says serious in the thread title!- Al. B. Sure

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                          • This proof from Putin should be enough to convince Berz.
                            “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                            ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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