Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[BeBMan]

Russia news/propaganda appears to be in disarray. Retreat from Kherson: did they or didn't they?

Russia does nevah retreat! At best it does regroup.

Does anybody know the term Frontbegradigung? It became very popular in 1944-45, albeit with a special meaning....

[BlackCat]

Yep, the danish word for it is "frontudretning", an euphemism for "that pesky enemy has yet again made holes in our nice frontline - lets use a nicer word than retreat/flee from them so we can get a straight and orderly front again" - ordnung muß sein

[pchang]

Ukraine army is so good, they now kill retired generals (as long as they criticize the Russian Air Force.

[BeBMan]

Haven't heard about something with generals recently, what is it referring to?

[pchang]

https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-air-force-commander-dead/32687364.html

[Berzerker]

February 12, 2012 - An email from Jake Sullivan to Hillary: 'Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria' - The Clinton Foundation Timeline

That's it isn't it? How the hell does it make more sense to imagine that Jake meant to say that the US was arming and supplying ISIL and planned to do so in the future rather than expressing satisfaction that one of the US enemies was publicly declaring hostility to another of its enemies? It's not hard to tell. read the damn email. There is nothing whatsoever besides taking the phrase totally out of context to support your assertion that the US funneled arms to ISIL but that fits your narrative so you run with it and spam it out into every other conversation about the topic.

Well no, that is not it. Obama destroyed Libya and shipped their weapons around to various proxies (no surprise surrounding countries saw more violence). Turkey became the main conduit for weapons into N Syria and when this program was active ISIS conquered half of Syria. When asked about arming terrorists Obama said they were moderate rebels and reporters went back to sleep. Trump ended the policy (and Mad Dog Mattis resigned) and within a year ISIS had lost virtually all its territory. Now for some reason you interpret Jake's comment to Hillary about AQ on our side as nothing at all. I see it as proof we helped AQ because they're on our side and ISIS took half the country under Obama's tutelage. I'd be defensive too if I voted for war criminals.

[Geronimo]

Well no, that is not it. Obama destroyed Libya and shipped their weapons around to various proxies (no surprise surrounding countries saw more violence). Turkey became the main conduit for weapons into N Syria and when this program was active ISIS conquered half of Syria. When asked about arming terrorists Obama said they were moderate rebels and reporters went back to sleep. Trump ended the policy (and Mad Dog Mattis resigned) and within a year ISIS had lost virtually all its territory. Now for some reason you interpret Jake's comment to Hillary about AQ on our side as nothing at all. I see it as proof we helped AQ because they're on our side and ISIS took half the country under Obama's tutelage. I'd be defensive too if I voted for war criminals.

that makes absolutely no sense. None of it. Since you won't accept any analogies I'm not sure how to show you that your logic it's demonstrably invalid. Maybe i'll just leave you to believe that there is a 1:1 relation between the success of our declared enemies and how much funding we give to them.

[BeBMan]

https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-air.../32687364.html

Thanks

[pchang]

I sense a business opportunity for those willing to impregnate Russian criminals.

[BeBMan]

The guy responsible for downing an airliner thinks Russia is going to have a sham election in 2024. Unbelievable.

Pro-war Russian nationalist Igor Girkin says he wants to run for president


The pro-war Russian nationalist Igor Girkin, who is in custody awaiting trial for inciting extremism, said on Sunday he wanted to run for president even though he understood the March election would be a “sham” with the winner already clear.

Girkin, who is also known by the alias Igor Strelkov, has repeatedly said Russia faces revolution and even civil war unless Vladimir Putin’s military leadership fights the war in Ukraine more effectively.

A former Federal Security Service officer who helped Russia to annex Crimea in 2014 and then to organise pro-Russia militias in eastern Ukraine, Girkin said before his arrest that he and his supporters were entering politics.

“I understand perfectly well that in the current situation in Russia, participating in the presidential campaign is like sitting down at a table to play with card sharps,” Girkin said in a letter published by his account on Telegram.

Girkin said he did not think he would be allowed to take part in the election, but hoped that his attempt to unite patriotic forces would disrupt the Kremlin’s plan for a “sham election” in which “the only winner is known in advance”.

“This is our chance to unite in the face of external and internal threats,” Girkin said in the post, which was titled: “I am going to run.”

The Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said in an interview published on Friday that he hoped Putin would run in the March election for another term as president, a move that would keep Putin in power until at least 2030.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/19/russia-ukraine-war-live-wave-of-drone-attacks-on-kyiv-for-second-night?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-6559dd648f08ee81dbe5b004#block-6559dd648f08ee81dbe5b004

[pchang]

What’s really unbelievable is that he thinks he will live long enough to disrupt the sham election.

[dannubis]

Karma would be that he gets the Prigozhin treatment.

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/sNG28NiGCU0

Zelensky aide admits war could have been avoided if Ukraine kept the peace deal they signed in March '22 to remain neutral

and the deal did exist, the aide stumbles into admitting it after a non-denial denial asking why Putin didn't publish the deal.

Putin and the Ukrainians agreed to keep the deal confidential, thats why, and this aide must have known that. Putin, the man who cant be trusted, kept the deal confidential over a year beyond its expiration date even though it was proof Biden and the west wanted war.

[Berzerker]

"Russia's not having generals run up to the line" - Joe Scarborough explaining why Ukraine is losing

[Ming]

https://youtu.be/sNG28NiGCU0

Zelensky aide admits war could have been avoided if Ukraine kept the peace deal they signed in March '22 to remain neutral

and the deal did exist, the aide stumbles into admitting it after a non-denial denial asking why Putin didn't publish the deal.

Putin and the Ukrainians agreed to keep the deal confidential, thats why, and this aide must have known that. Putin, the man who cant be trusted, kept the deal confidential over a year beyond its expiration date even though it was proof Biden and the west wanted war.

One more time... please provide ACTUAL proof of said "Peace Deal" What was in it? Who signed it? What was in it? All you seem to have is some "claims"... but no real proof. And NO, that is NOT PROOF that Biden and the West wanted war.
And do you really believe Putin can be trusted
In my opinion,If such a deal really existed, he would have been publishing it to the world to justify he continued war.
But keep posting all the stuff you see on youtube as if it was total fact.

[BeBMan]

If we weren't talking about loss of life and material destruction Putin's war would be pure comedy gold:

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/11/29/we-bought-our-lives

[Berzerker]

One more time... please provide ACTUAL proof of said "Peace Deal" What was in it? Who signed it? What was in it? All you seem to have is some "claims"... but no real proof. And NO, that is NOT PROOF that Biden and the West wanted war.
And do you really believe Putin can be trusted
In my opinion,If such a deal really existed, he would have been publishing it to the world to justify he continued war.
But keep posting all the stuff you see on youtube as if it was total fact.

Zelensky's aide admitted they had a deal. He said most of it was minutiae but the main point was for Ukraine to be neutral. The deal included logistical limitations like weaponry and troop strength. Putin agreed to keep the deal confidential, thats why he hasn't published it. I suspect the Ukrainian team didn't want to be found guilty of treason by Azov and murdered. But we dont need him to know the deal existed, other sources have confirmed it including top ranking Americans. Boris didn't show up to award the Ghost of Kiev for repelling the Russian advance.

[Ming]

Again... some actual proof?
Maybe there is another reason why nobody has published it
And yet again, please prove that Biden "wanted" the war. Something besides your "theories" and "opinions" would be nice for a change.