Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Uncle Sparky]

May the borscht be with you.

[Berzerker]

Didn't you want to punch Nazis back in 2017? I'm on the side of the people of the Donbas. Why aren't you?

[Uncle Sparky]

... Bunyak.

[Berzerker]

Yes. He should've watched as Nazis slaughtered eastern Ukrainians because as anyone who has followed 21st military interventions should know, invading a country to stop slaughters as a rule massively increases the slaughter. Putin's decision to military intervene was incredibly stupid. Furthermore there is zero evidence of ethnic cleansing in pre-special operation independent Ukraine, so there really wasn't any 'slaughter' to watch, let alone stop.

Also, if shelling civilian areas during a hot war is 'slaughtering', then any planned intervention to stop that, should, at a bare minimum, refrain from shelling civilian areas dontcha think?

The USA wouldn't have waited 8 years. Thousands more would have died but they fled Azov and Russia intervened twice to stalemate their advances. That may have been when the west became amenable to Minsk to give Ukraine time to arm. Where did the millions of refugees go? Most went to Russia or parts of eastern Ukraine not under attack. The Ukrainian right wing - the muscle behind the Maidan coup and Donbas war - practices cultural cleansing. And I imagine they'd drive undesirables out of the country, so that would include dissenters of all stripes. Pretty much like Syria, we used fanatics to attack Russia in the name of democracy, mom, and apple pie.

I thought we won the cold war, why are we still fighting it? Money and power... So greed is our downfall. We bully everyone we can into doing what we want and China runs around playing peacemaker to our profitable conflicts. And they're doing it with wealth acquired from Americans. I hope the average American consumer prefers China using their money to make peace over Washington's efforts to create conflict. Hey, here's an idea... Lets plop an army down near Muslim holy sites to kill Iraqis and when pissed off Muslims attack us we can invade more of the Middle East.

Who started the shelling? Maybe we should deal with that before venturing into the ramifications of killing the innocent by accident with counter attacks on those doing the shelling. I believe the people of the Donbas had no moral obligation to support a right wing coup that drove the man they overwhelmingly elected from office. I believe they had the right to defend themselves when that right wing sent an army to attack them. I dont see any way around it, their moral high ground is blocking my view of Kiev.

[N35t0r]

Source: your butt and a couple of totally legit YouTube videos.

[Berzerker]

I didn't even know about Ukrainian Nazis before youtube, but now that I do its just one more reason to thank god I didn't vote for Obama, Trump and Biden.

[BeBMan]

Captain HIMARS sez he won't target barracks if he receives coordinates of armored vehicles or ammo depots.

[N35t0r]

I dont see any way around it, their moral high ground is blocking my view of Kiev.

If the Donbass is blocking your view of Kiyv, then you must be sitting snugly in Russia. Not that we had doubts about it.

[Berzerker]

The moral high ground is not a geographic location and visible from around the world. If you lived in the Donbas in 2014 when the man you elected was driven from office by a right wing coup and Azov showed up to shell your town would you join them in their righteous cause?

[N35t0r]

First they made Putin attack Ukraine, now this. Was Putin ever in control of anything

Heh, remember when the FSB "exposed" the "Ukrainian nazi" "assassination" plot against a pro-kremlin journalist, and there were three copies of 'the Sims' among the stuff the alleged conspirator had? (The theory goes that the FSB agent that planted the items got told to include three SIMs, as in sim cards, but got a bit confused).

Maybe this time they got confused when staging a false-flag attack, and someone targeted the flag believing it was false?

[BeBMan]

Heh, remember when the FSB "exposed" the "Ukrainian nazi" "assassination" plot against a pro-kremlin journalist, and there were three copies of 'the Sims' among the stuff the alleged conspirator had? (The theory goes that the FSB agent that planted the items got told to include three SIMs, as in sim cards, but got a bit confused).

Maybe this time they got confused when staging a false-flag attack, and someone targeted the flag believing it was false?

In the rare event that the Kremlin thing was really from the Ukranians it would be perfect for psychological impact, showing that Ru air def is really a joke, esp. after Russian media reports made a fuss earlier about air defences being positioned on rooftops in Moscow.

Hitting that flag pole could point to such a symbolic "we-can-strike-anywhere-cuz-weak-Putin-is-weak" attack where the primary goal is not the actual material damage.

But then it's equally possible that Moscow did it for a variety of reasons. Esp. suspicious that they were quick to blame the US for it.

[N35t0r]

The big reason that makes me doubt it was a false flag attempt is that it makes them look incredibly weak, if they can't even protect the Kremlin...

[N35t0r]

Prigozhin seems angry. I'm seriously worried (lol, not really) about his health.

https://youtu.be/j-bALDPCp4w

[BeBMan]

Wondering when they will throw him into prison for "discrediting Ru forces". Could recruit him for assault ops then. If they find somebody else who runs Wagner that is

He even announced a Wagner retreat from Bakhmut after May 9 now, let's see if he really does it.

[pchang]

Previous deputy defense minister is now taking a leadership role at Wagner. Perhaps a succession plan is taking form. Wagner is supposed to leave Bakhmut by May 10. They did not get enough toys so they have decided to stop playing and go home.

[Berzerker]

If the Donbass is blocking your view of Kiyv, then you must be sitting snugly in Russia. Not that we had doubts about it.

I'm surprised it aint blocking everyone's view

[N35t0r]

Previous deputy defense minister is now taking a leadership role at Wagner. Perhaps a succession plan is taking form. Wagner is supposed to leave Bakhmut by May 10. They did not get enough toys so they have decided to stop playing and go home.

I don't think they can freely pick up their ball and go home, there's the small detail that PMCs are illegal in Russia.

[BlackCat]

Many armchair generals may disagree on this, but hey, the guy is a army guy that specialize in the subject so he may have a point.

Just a minor caveat - I don't consider Serb as a "armchair general" if he responds - he's just a poor russian joyfully swallowing whatever the russian ministry of war is saying

[Berzerker]

Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself... Marsha Marsha Marsha keeps hitting herself, first the pipeline and now the Kremlin

One of Serb's sources is Judging Freedom on youtube, the host ('Judge' Napalitano) is informed on a variety of relevant subjects and he asks good questions of people with even more information coming from different perspectives.

[Dauphin]

Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself... Marsha Marsha Marsha keeps hitting herself, first the pipeline and now the Kremlin

Is this a response to BlackCat's video?