Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Lorizael]

Really?
Where do you think the Jews got the territory they have now for their state?
On what basis?
If not on claim that they were the territories of their Kingdom over 2000 years ago!

Err, yeah, obviously that's why Israel is where it is today, but that doesn't mean it was right for the UN and various colonial powers to manufacture a country where a bunch of Palestinians were living.

And you should pray to your God..

I do not have a god.

[Serb]

Really?
Where do you think the Jews got the territory they have now for their state?
On what basis?
If not on claim that they were the territories of their Kingdom over 2000 years ago!

And you should pray to your God that Stalin was on your side and supported you to create the Israel.
Just like Americans shoul;d be grateful to Cathrine the Great, who supported the American revolution.

[giblets]

If Ukraine is actually Russia, what do we call "Russia"

[Lorizael]

Says who? An Israeli?

I'm only Israeli if you conflate ancestry with nationality and conflate the modern day state of Israel with one or another ancient Judahite kingdom/territory/polity. It's bad that Jews were exiled and then made to be outsiders everywhere they went in Europe and North Africa and elsewhere for two thousand years, but that doesn't mean the Jews of today get to just claim that territory as their own.

[Serb]

Serb's posts often bring back memories of the Pakleds in TNG.

Like I fking care what you think, the grandson of Nazi!

[Serb]

It never ceases to amaze me how people think conflating etymology with ontology is a winning argument.

Says who? An Israeli?

[BeBMan]

Serb's posts often bring back memories of the Pakleds in TNG.

[Lorizael]

It never ceases to amaze me how people think conflating etymology with ontology is a winning argument.

[Serb]

You think Ukraine could have maintained full independence if it wasn't for US hawks? What do you think should have been done in the years since Russia annexed Crimea and took over a secessionist uprising in the Donbas?

Ukraine was fully independet since 1991, sumsidized by Russia for over the 200+ BILLION USD during all the years of their independence since 1991 up to 2014 (and this is just a DIRECT SUBSIDIES via the low gas prises, not the total volume of our investments into this ****hole, to make their lives better there).

You (USA) have invested 5 billion USD (according to Viki Nuland) via your Soros NGOs to create a NAZI anti-Russian regime there. Those NGOs have printed a history textbooks for decades, make a pseudo-histrical TV-shows, whitwashing Ukranian Nazi-collaborators and so on!

You have raised a whole new generation of Nazi-imbeciles over there, who honestly belive that the history of Ukranian Nation starts 140 000 years ago (befor the Hoposapiens), while in reality the word "Ukraine" was introduced into pulic by Austro-Hungrians in late 18'th sentury to separate Malorossia from Russia.

And that is why your Coup on 2014 (and your president Obama later confessed that it was done by his administration (I can find you a link for that), that is why that Coup was under the slogans: KIFE THE RUSSIANS, HANG THE RUSSIANS!!!

Those 0.02% of popultaion at Kiev's Maidan have turned the country into a comple concentration camp by YOUR DESIRE!, YOUR DIRECT INVOLMENT AND YOUR DIRECT WILL!!!
You have created this Nazi-regime!
YOU FREAKING MADE THIS!!!
YOU AND ONLY YOU!!!

Kiev was the capital of Russia since 10th century!
(up to the Mongol invasion in the 13th century)

Crimea was the place where the first Christian prince of Russia (prince Valdimir) has been baptised in 988 and he later baptised the rest of Russia.

So, Crimea is the cradle of Russian Christian civilization since the 10th century!


IT IS OUR LANDS, **********ers!!!


"Malorossia", which now calls itself a "Ukraine" (a "border land" both in Russian and Polish languages), originally means "MicroRussia", which means "the ORIGINAL RUSSIA".

The Origianl Russia, the place where Russia came from!!!

Simple as that!

IDIOTS!

You don't know a sh!t about our history, because you are ignorant, brainwashed imbciles, who divide the World on black and white, as your propaganda brainwashing machine forces you to do so!

You are pathetic, Americans!

And you have started this war, NOT US!!!

But we will finish it, even if it will tak to completely exterminate you!

p.s. Because you freaking never learn!!!​

[BeBMan]

Anticipation is growing in Ukraine over the imminent delivery of Western-made F-16 fighter jets. Kyiv says the aircraft will be a game changer in its defense against Russia's invasion. Now, speculation is rife as to where they will be stationed.

The long wait is almost over. After months of intense training and preparations, F-16 fighter jets are about to touch down in Ukraine.
And they can't come soon enough for Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelenskyy. He says the planes are a game changer and they'll give Kyiv the chance to break Russia's dominance of Ukraine's airspace.

But keeping the jets safe will now be a priority — and speculation is rife over where they will be stationed.

Ukraine has not confirmed where they are going to park the aircraft, but many experts say one air force base in western Ukraine is an ideal candidate.

The Starokostiantyniv base is located roughly halfway between Kyiv and Lviv. It's home to Ukraine's 7th Tactical Aviation Brigade and with its Soviet-era underground shelters — it's a logical option.

But in the town of Starokostiantyniv just across the river, people are concerned. Many locals say they appreciate all the support Ukraine gets from abroad — but they increasingly fear being caught in Moscow's crosshairs.

Olena Shpachenko, guide and interim director of the museum: "Concentrating such high-powered weapons in one place means that the enemy will seek to destroy these weapons. So for us, as residents of the town, this is a high risk factor. We are very worried."

Starokostiantyniv has often felt Russia's wrath in this conflict.

In August 2023, Ukrainian authorities say Moscow bombed a corn storage facility in the region.

And as recently as mid-July, Kyiv says it shot down 5 Russian cruise missiles and 11 drones targeting Starokostiantyniv.

Air defence forces in the region say that Russia has been stepping up its attacks over the past month — trying to find weaknesses and experimenting with new techniques.

Anatoliy, commander of mobile anti-aircraft brigade: "At the moment, they are increasing the power of the explosive charge on their drones. They are modernising their cruise missiles with fragmentation munitions that damage light armoured vehicles."

Not everyone believes the F-16s will be able to turn the tide in this war. But at least they will also give Ukraine a chance to try something new.
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https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-set-to-receive-f-16s-from-the-west/video-69797163

Re the "gamechanger or not" bit -- as far as my superior web-based expertise goes I think that depends on the package, not only numbers, but for example what types of ammo/missiles are provided with them etc. and how that is sustained long-term. But in the end we simply don't know at this point, so let's see...

[Lorizael]

We reject your premise. The only "neutrality" Putin would have ever accepted from Ukraine was Ukraine never doing anything Putin didn't approve of. Ukrainians won their freedom and independence from Russian imperialism 30 years ago, and it boggles my mind you think them foolish for fighting to preserve that freedom and independence now.

[Dinner]

Spell checker strikes again. Mobius is still a Putin lackey though.

[BlackCat]

Oerdin is always wrong. Therefore I am right.

Oerdin being wrong dosen't mean that you are right, just that Oerdin is wrong.

I rest my case 🙂

Sure you do dear Mr Chamberlain

[BeBMan]

I remember him, he had his own verse, which conveniently was called the Nedaverse

[Dinner]

You all don't see the stupidity of your arguments:
All of you would rather see a country in ruins for generations to come that is forced to declare neutrality - than a country choosing neutrality...

All just wishful thinking, lacking in any pragmatism or realistic understanding of the world.

But hey, to the last Ukrainian and all that...

[Was gonna say DP, but I've decided to keep it for emphasis]

The Comedian was cynically misled

Outlet never wanted neutrality for Ukraine. He wants to conquer Ukraine and all of his propaganda lies for years has been that Ukraine isn't really a country and should just be part of Russia. He has also said the same garbage about every post Soviet Republic