Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Ming]

Oh... you mean like your leader who thought he could illegally annex Ukraine in just a few weeks

[Serb]

The only difference between Kennedy and the modern Western leaders (lead my an inmbecile self-propelling old fart Joe) is that he had brains and prefered a compromise (Russians withraw their missiles from Cuba, USA withdraws their missiles from Turkey and iirc, Italy and make a promise to never invade Cuba again) over a Nuclear disaster.

He fought in WW2 and knew what Russians are capable of.
Your modern leadership is just plain insane!​

[Serb]

The National security is a top priority for any National leader.

[Lorizael]

If I remember correctly, the last time when Russians have placed their missiles on Cuba, the USA was a couple of seconds away from starting a nuclear apocalypsis, because that was a mortal threat for them.

Yeah, and if Kennedy had brought about nuclear apocalypse over the Cuban Missile Crisis, that, too, would have been bad. Noticing a theme here?

[Serb]

Oh, that is so great that your advanced engine marks my thread as a potential spam after I try to correct my typos in a thread for a third time in a row!

Brilliant. So, I have to cheat your engine and re-post it this way (by posting this preambule)



Care to explain, HOW EXACTLY Ukranians have won their freedom and independence from the Russian imperialism?

Perhaps they have revolted?
There was an uprising?
A long and bloody struggle for independence?
Ah?!
Come on!!!

PLEASE, tell me your bullsh!t story from the parallel reality!

In reality Ukraine was one of the four co-founders of USSR.

Three out of seven Soviet rullers between 1922 and 1991 were UKRANIANS (Khrushev, Brezhnev, Chernenko). One was Georgian (Stalin), one was Jew (Andropov) and only two out of seven were Russians (Lenin and Gorbachev).

Ukranians were a large part of the Soviet rulling elite.

The Soviet Union have industrialized Ukraine and turned an agrarial land into industrial powerhouse.

The Soviet Union gave a huge historically and ethnicaly Russian lands to Ukraine as a gift (Novorossia and Crimea).

The Soviet Union have tried to forcibly Ukranize those historically and ethnically Russian lands to make them Ukraian instead of Russian (beacause bolsheviks had a stupid agenda to dilute Ukranian peasants of Western Ukraine with workers of Eastern Ukraine (ethnically and historically Russian Novorossia), because they believed that workers is the driving force of Communism, not a backward peasants).

Ukranian culture was on its peak during USSR.

After 1991 Ukraine was third or fourth Economy in Europe (PPP) and the second largest army in Europe (btw, with nuclear weapons, ICBMs and a fleet of strategic bombers, not to mention they've got an half of Black sea fleet).
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And now they have f*cked-up EVERYTHING within less than 30 years of their independence and became the poorest country in Europe and one of the most corrupt country in the World!!!

And that had happened long before "the Russian invasion", because Ukraine is a typicall FAILED STATE, a state which never existed before (with the exeption of a tiny period between 1917-1918).

So, no, in reality there was no any Ukranian battle for freedom and independence from the Russian imperialism.

In reality the majority of Soviet people have voted to keep the Soviet Union on referendum of 1991 (link to wiki).

In Ukraine 71.5% of voters have voted for that!


So what freaking win of independence are you talking about?

I am still waiting for your answer, Lorizael​!

[Serb]

What country would tolerate forever a neighbour whose sole ideology is aimed to destroy your people, and who actually already killed over 15 000 of your people?

What country would tolerate a neighbour who wants to join a military alliance and place foreign missiles on their territory, which posses a MORTAL THREAT FOR YOU?

If I remember correctly, the last time when Russians have placed their missiles on Cuba, the USA was a couple of seconds away from starting a nuclear apocalypsis, because that was a mortal threat for them.

Why the F do you think we should be different?

Are you really sane?

We have suffered the most during the last World war and played a decisive role to win it (and SAVED YOUR PEOPLE from extermination, by the way) by the price of 27 million Soviet deaths.

27 millions!!!

Do you have ANY FREAKING CLUE how hardly we don't want an another World War, especially, if we will be caught by surprise like in 1941?

We have all the rights to defend ourselves and prevent another attack of the West against us.​

[Lorizael]

Had UK have a signs of signing a military alliance with Russia or China, you would seen an American invasion without any doubt.
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Maybe, but if so, it would be bad if the US did that. Either way, this is just you accepting the validity of my claim: Putin wasn't going to let Ukraine make its own choices, and now he's killing a bunch of Ukrainians and Russians because he didn't like the choice Ukraine made.

[Serb]

A bunch. And it was bad. Invading Iraq was bad, invading Afghanistan was bad, invading Vietnam was bad, etc.

And invading Ukraine is also bad.

But the US wouldn't invade the UK, which is the question MOBIUS asked.

Had UK have a signs of signing a military alliance with Russia or China, you would seen an American invasion without any doubt.
Your statement proves nothing, but UK being an American lackey.
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[Serb]

Blaming other countries for their invasion to stop the war started by you is bad and immoral, when you have invaded a ten times more countries under a false pretext.

[BeBMan]

Invading Ukraine is great since the US has invaded other countries before....oh wait, other countries invaded other countries before the US invaded other countries

[Lorizael]

Do you have ANY idea how many countries USA have invaded, because they did something USA didn't approve of?

A bunch. And it was bad. Invading Iraq was bad, invading Afghanistan was bad, invading Vietnam was bad, etc.

And invading Ukraine is also bad.

But the US wouldn't invade the UK, which is the question MOBIUS asked.

[Serb]

My grandmother, as well as her sister worked a 12 hours a day shift on the shell factory producing bullets and shells, while she was only 14 years old and recived only a food stamps instead of a payment.

Two of my another grandmother's sisters have been sent to work in Germany as slaves and perished there.

My grandfather fought at Stalingrad, Crimea, Baltic states, served in the 33rd Guards Rifle division, 2nd Guards army. Killed a lot of Nazis, many times wounded and decorated.

Two of his brothers have perished (one killed in action, another one has been wounded and POW, he died in a concentration camp).

My second grandfather worked as a railroad worker at age 15 wearing a wooden shoes at -30C to keep the trains with military material keep going.

His father, my grand grandfather, as well as his uncle (the brother of my grand grandfather) were both KIA defending Moscow in 1941.

So, yeah!

My ancestors were a GREAT and HEROIC people!

And yours were a NAZIS!

Period.
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[Serb]

Oh and Serb's grand folks were probably nice people...so what his excuse for being a fascistS. Period.

My grandparents were a nice people indeed who have killed a lot of Nazi scum (your grandparents) who came to our land to exterminate and enslave us.

It is your grandparents who were Nazis, not mine!

You Germans seem to forget about that and just pleading for a rematch.
Ok!
You will get it!
But this time we won't be so merciful to the defeated Nazis.​

[Serb]

More like Patriot, Iris,, Gepard etc

You mean the Western sh!t destroyed in numbers by Russians?

Oh, and Gepard is so especially lol, so freaking obsolete.

So tell me, why all your previous game changers didn't help Ukraine so far?
And what makes you think a new game changer will do so?

Care to explain how a fleet of 60 obsolete American fighters can do anything against the fleet of 5000 modern Russian fighters?


The only thing Ukraine needs those fighters for is to carry out a terror missile strikes to the Russian cities. Period.​

[Serb]

It is not so that the US would invade the UK if the UK did something the US didn't approve of.

Do you have ANY idea how many countries USA have invaded, because they did something USA didn't approve of?



And we have invaded Ukraine not because they just have done something we didn't approve, but because they have started to kill Russians and kept doing so, despite all the cease-fire agreements they have signed.