Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[The Mad Monk]

That they haven't built defensive works demonstrates a special kind of arrogance in Russian strategic planning.

[Geronimo]

Technically right, but in practice totally wrong. The Ukrainians hasn't met any unmanned trenches yet, if they had, they would have steamrolled it. The russians can't cover all the front of the Ukrainian/Russian without decimating their military currently active in Ukraine.

they'd man a well-prepared defensive line with raw green conscripts and even elite well-equipped Ukrainian attacks could be stopped. For that kind of defence manpower isn't as much of an issue. Part of Ukraine's recent woes relate to the far less extensive defence infrastructure that Ukraine was able to place in the way of Russia's counter offensive than what Russia was able to lay in front the the Ukrainian offensive. The over whelming majority of Ukrainian well prepared defences predate the special military operation.

[BlackCat]

That has so far still been decisive in blunting Ukraine's counteroffensives all along the front...manned or not

Technically right, but in practice totally wrong. The Ukrainians hasn't met any unmanned trenches yet, if they had, they would have steamrolled it. The russians can't cover all the front of the Ukrainian/Russian without decimating their military currently active in Ukraine.

[Geronimo]

Technically, they could have build such trenches, but they would never be able to man them whether we are talking of personnel or equipment (tanks, guns etc).

That has so far still been decisive in blunting Ukraine's counteroffensives all along the front...manned or not

[BlackCat]

I'm astonished that Russia hadn't already entrenched massive defence infrastructure to guard against this all up and down the length of the border with Ukraine. They've definitely done so all along the front within Ukraine.

Technically, they could have build such trenches, but they would never be able to man them whether we are talking of personnel or equipment (tanks, guns etc).

[BeBMan]

Maybe they don't see their border as some kind of red line

[Geronimo]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...nto-second-day

I'm astonished that Russia hadn't already entrenched massive defence infrastructure to guard against this all up and down the length of the border with Ukraine. They've definitely done so all along the front within Ukraine.

[BeBMan]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/07/ukraine-incursion-into-russia-kursk-region-continues-into-second-day

[Bereta_Eder]

I like Sevastopole

sevastoupolis


ΣΕΒΑΣΤΟΥΠΟΛΗ

the city of reverance


pretty darn good name if you ask me. very religious and awe inspiring


we don't have names like that anymore

[Bereta_Eder]

it is the same in many other parts of the world. she's nothign special in that regard

[Bereta_Eder]

cherson chersona ΧΕΡΣΩΝΑ

it means peninsula


Oddessa ΟΔΔΥΣΟΣ

Simply means the citgy of Ulyses

Mariopole ΜΑΡΙΟΥΠΟΛΙΣ


simply means the city of virgin mary


i can go on and on


bascailly urkaine for some reason is a miniscule map of greek history

[Bereta_Eder]

also half of ukranian cities have greek names


why? i wonder

[Bereta_Eder]

Nice map it was before alxender the great.


and before the bhzantine empire.

so it is rather small but still cute

[BeBMan]

Give Crimea back to the Greeks

[Dauphin]

I think what you do not seem to understand Serb is the extent to which the most passionate dedication to a separate national identity can be wholly and entirely "artificial" and have nothing to do with ancient history and shared heritage.

Exhibit A could be examining the relationship between Canada and the US. The only thing that really separated them initially was the fact that the 13 colonies that started the US voted to go to war to secede and the rest of British North America declined to do so. There was no meaningful cultural or historical divide along the new national border when the Crown officially recognized the independence of the 13 colonies (along with a generous portion of the less organized portions of British North America to the West of the colonies). At that time the closest thing to a divide was the very recent at the time influx of Crown loyalists from the seceding colonies into the rest of British North America. Even that, however, did not define any national identities to be discerned across the border. The borders between the colonies and between the new US "states" were at least as meaningful in the usual national identity sense. However, when friction between the US and Britain pushed the US to consider invasion of the rest of British North America as a way of leveraging redress from the Crown for their grievances in 1812 *that* totally and permanently changed the national identity dynamics of the border, especially infamous provocations like the burning of the tiny provincial capital of York. Ever since this war Canadians were able to gravitate to a new national identity. Was it a distinctive "Canadian" national identity? no. not at all in fact. It was a distinctive "whoever we are we are *not* those guys who call themselves "Americans" to our south" national identity. For many, if not decisively most Canadians nationalism would develop almost entirely as a rejection of US national identity above all else.

My point, Serb, is that all of your misguided history lessons that you and Putin keep returning to to try to argue that Ukraine isn't a really a nation have zero relevance. People *not* wanting to be part of a nation can be as much of a division (and far stronger typically) than any amount of shared history language or shared anything else really. To the extent that residents of Ukraine may have previously viewed themselves as being as much "Russian" as "Ukrainian" and viewed any division between the two states as meaningless the special military operation has no doubt massively undermined that sentiment. If Ukrainians didn't see themselves as separate before, they surely do now to a *massively* increased degree.

I think this is true of most if not all kinds of us vs them scenario. Be it tribes through nations, or undying support for a sports club, or political party.

Split a group of people random into team A and team B, and you will find both sides want theirs to win, regardless of why how that team came to into existence.