Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Geronimo]

What country would tolerate forever a neighbour whose sole ideology is aimed to destroy your people, and who actually already killed over 15 000 of your people?

What country would tolerate a neighbour who wants to join a military alliance and place foreign missiles on their territory, which posses a MORTAL THREAT FOR YOU?

If I remember correctly, the last time when Russians have placed their missiles on Cuba, the USA was a couple of seconds away from starting a nuclear apocalypsis, because that was a mortal threat for them.

Why the F do you think we should be different?

Are you really sane?

We have suffered the most during the last World war and played a decisive role to win it (and SAVED YOUR PEOPLE from extermination, by the way) by the price of 27 million Soviet deaths.

27 millions!!!

Do you have ANY FREAKING CLUE how hardly we don't want an another World War, especially, if we will be caught by surprise like in 1941?

We have all the rights to defend ourselves and prevent another attack of the West against us.

Serb, if the reduction in flight-time of American missiles being potentially relocated into Ukraine *requires* Russian war against Ukraine, then wouldn't Russian development of hypersonic vastly faster missiles and despicable genocidal salted nuclear torpedoes apparently *require* the US to go to war if necessary to oppose Russia then? The logic you're offering suggest the US should have done everything it could to station nukes closer to Russia. Maybe to Finland or to Georgia or back to Turkey. If you're right then it was a grossly unethical provocation for Russia to unilaterally develop faster nukes and you can't really complain about any of the crimes you accuse the US of in Ukraine. I'll humbly submit that Kennedy was stupid and wrong to threaten war for Cuba agreeing to host Soviet missiles and that Russia was stupid and wrong to invade Ukraine just in case the US might try to deploy missiles in Ukraine at some future time and also that it would be wrong for the US to invade any country in response to Russia unilaterally developing faster nukes (although maybe they both could invade a country with security council blessing to enforce non-proliferation).

[Geronimo]

Are you sure living on this planet?
They are keep retreating since their failed counter-offensive.

I'm looking at the front lines. They have retreated significantly less than the operations I described and in much more orderly execution of the retreats. My point is if anything highlighted by comparing the Russian and Ukrainian retreats in this war.

[Geronimo]

I'll give you a credit for being the locomotive of progress in the 19th century, now you just degraded to financial parasite, dictator and a bandit.

please don't laud the performance and behavior of the US in the 19th century by dignifying it as "progress".

[Geronimo]

Should I remind you that you are the only Nation, which used nuclear weapons?

Why? Do you realize that even if the US had used nukes over and over to "end" several later wars that it would still be a terrible idea for it to even think of doing so again? What is your point? That when nukes were invented and used it became sensible after viewing the horrors of the effects for all countries to plan to use them pre-emptively? Do you support non proliferation at all? Do you excuse further first use by the US of nukes in future conflicts?

[Geronimo]

LOL!

Take any recent American invasion being it Vietnam, Yougoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, Lybia, Syria - every time you have a bullsh!t false reason to justify your war of agression and everytime invaded to rob and punish those countries for dissobeying your dictate.
You are the greatest bloody dictator on this planet.
And the greatest bloodsucking parasite.
A freaking racketeer!!!

I'll take all of those and note that the US refrained from annexing *any* of those countries. If Russia were not laying claim to any Ukrainian territories I'd be much calmer about the invasion and attacks on the Ukrainian armed forces and even infrastructure. Such stupidity can be self limiting because it doesn't actually strengthen the aggressor.

The US *did* directly participate in vast military campaign to carve out Kosovo as an independent state. I note that historically most nations have been far more forgiving for being invaded by a country that eventually left than they have been of countries that took pieces of their state with them. It will not surprise me at all if Serbian resentment towards the US remains far more enduring than the other victims of US aggression even when the fatalities and economic losses were far greater. Imagine how much more bitter the Serbians would be about it if the US had subsequently annexed Kosovo.

Most importantly almost none of those wars should have been allowed. Perhaps Iraq 1991 per UN security council or possibly the Afghanistan war (to the extent that the US truly knew that OBL was directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks) but the rest were international law crimes and stupidities undermining almost all net US interests and even Afghanistan, executed as a decisive country scale intervention in the civil war was probably ill advised as subsequently executed in the occupation that followed. I suppose Vietnam as a defensive operation propping up the South Vietnam state didn't start as a war crime but by the time it ended the US had even managed to turn the prosecution of that war into the scene of various war crimes so I won't add that to the exceptions.

So what's the take away? Russia gets a pass for its ongoing invasion of Ukraine? How Serb?

[Geronimo]

You shopuldn't throw stones, if you are living in a glass house.

You are the World's champion in terms of wars of agression and killing millions of innocent people.

It's fine because I'm throwing stones at any glass houses that earn that honor. I'm certainly not going to spare the one I live in if it needs it.

[Geronimo]

Owerthrowing a legitimate government and establishing a Nazi regime, which sent an army to suppress the righteous uprising against the anti-constitutional coup (inspired, sponsored and supported by YOU) and killing over 15 000 ethnic Russians at Ukraine is a casus belly in my dictionary!

Nazi is as Nazi does Serb. How many countries had the Nazis unilaterally invaded within 8 years of taking power? How many states did the Kiev Nazi regime invade? The Ukrainian Nazis fought a civil war against a separatist insurrection that cost 15,000 casualties *total on all sides* in 8 years. How many people died on all sides in Russia's war against separatists in Chechnya? Why wouldn't that be a casus belli?

Also since when is a coup grounds for a special military operation and for how long? Is a coup always grounds for a special military operation while the coup regime remains in power? What about after internationally observed elections that occur afterwards? How long does a country remain fair game for other countries to invade after a coup and after subsequent elections? forever?

No Serb. sorry. There was no casus belli for the special military operation. not by any treaty and not by any modern precedent.

[Serb]

Are you sure living on this planet?
They are keep retreating since their failed counter-offensive.

[Geronimo]

Full retreat was the Russian military around kharkiv in May of 2022 or The Russian military around Kherson in November 2022. Where do you see such retreats recently by Ukraine?

[Serb]

With an imbecile puppet "in charge".

[Serb]

I'll give you a credit for being the locomotive of progress in the 19th century, now you just degraded to financial parasite, dictator and a bandit.

[Serb]

Not responding to provocations with nuclear retaliation is a good way to promote the national security

Should I remind you that you are the only Nation, which used nuclear weapons?

[Serb]

Name an example. Grenada perhaps? others? How did Ukraine's allies respond to the US invasion of Granada back then? I think you will find examples of such US invasions hard to find.

LOL!

Take any recent American invasion being it Vietnam, Yougoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, Lybia, Syria - every time you have a bullsh!t false reason to justify your war of agression and everytime invaded to rob and punish those countries for dissobeying your dictate.
You are the greatest bloody dictator on this planet.
And the greatest bloodsucking parasite.
A freaking racketeer!!!

[Geronimo]

The National security is a top priority for any National leader.

Not responding to provocations with nuclear retaliation is a good way to promote the national security

[Serb]

It certainly is not bad and immoral to blame other countries for their invasions. If anything allowing other countries to start wars unopposed because the US starts so many wars will only make it more difficult to successfully oppose US warmongering.

You shopuldn't throw stones, if you are living in a glass house.

You are the World's champion in terms of wars of agression and killing millions of innocent people.