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Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia
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We just watched Azov attacking the Donbas for 8 years with our weapons and we have video evidence of Zelensky in '19 trying and failing to disarm and withdraw them and the officer refused because of the protesters (and because the US backs Azov over Zelensky). Thats who our heroes were killing, protesters. Azov are our heroes, right? They did lead the charge against the 'enemy' in '14, no? Why has our propaganda machine tried so hard to hide our heroes from us, thats an outrage. We need a monument to Azov's heroes, how about Bandera Street in a Jewish neighborhood in NYC? We can invite Jon Stewart as master of ceremonies. The areas under Azov's control have long been depopulated of protesters (who do you think Azov has been killing all this time?). The resistance outside their control will be targeted by Azov if Russia withdraws and refuses to help. So Azov attacked the Donbas in '14 to liberate it from Russia in '21.
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Berz, most of the Donetsk oblast has remained in Ukrainian hands throughout the special military operation. if Azov will move in and attack the people of the Donbas if Russia leaves why isn't azov doing that in the Donbas under their control already? it's odd that the most thoroughly flattened depopulated areas in the Donbas are the ones Russia has 'liberated'. It's also odd that when Ukraine has re-liberated parts of Ukraine from Russian control the before and after damage comparisons typically reveal negligible damage between before and after Ukraine moved back in especially in areas as around Kharkiv where Ukraine recaptured them in a surprise operation. The history of the war shows Russia demolishes the entire town and moves in while Ukraine focuses on counter force attacks against the Russian military.Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
He was responding to Ukraine's 10 pt peace deal requiring Russia leave Ukraine entirely without concessions, that would mean abandoning the people of the Donbas to Nazis. That aint happening.
The Russian Military has been the Nazis and at least since 2021 Azov have been the anti-nazi liberators.
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You always forget to mention the Nazi Russians... The Wagner group was full of them.
There are more Nazi's fighting for Russia than Ukraine. But I know how anti Nazi you are... oh, but the Russians are your hero.
Go figure.
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10s of millions died in WW II to stop the Nazis with the bulk of the victims being Russian. You still haven't shown how many civilians were killed by Russia and we already know Kiev was using civilians as shields which is a war crime, not evacuating children from battlefields. The absurdity and hypocrisy of western propaganda is hard to ignore but Democrats and Republicans keep finding ways. Meanwhile the Gaza death toll is climbing fast as Bibi tells Joe to buzz off like Azov told Zelensky.
Estonian politician is very upset, he wants Ukrainian men who fled the war to be sent back to fight. He called them cowards. I dont know, maybe they just dont wanna tell eastern Ukrainians how to live. I sure dont, why would I want to arm Nazis so they can? Ya'll should youtube videos of these people we've been arming. I saw interviews with Right Sector people after the Odessa massacre, they're murderous fanatics and we unleashed them on Ukrainians.
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Again... ignoring the fact that "your cure" was FAR worse than the disease. And that the "cure" wasn't really a cure, just an excuse by Putin to steal more Ukrainian land again.
But again, you continue to make Putin the hero here, even though he has destroyed the lives of those you claim he was "trying" to save.
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Its a tough choice, Putin or Nazis. Nah, this is easy. The people of the Donbas have the natural right to defend themselves and they exercised that right when Kiev sent a Nazi army to kill them. Do you believe the millions of people in eastern Ukraine should be free(r) to govern themselves? Zelensky did in '19 when he took office... The Nazis disagreed, they were at war with "protesters". Not Russian little green men or Putin, they were at war with Ukrainians protesting the right wing coup that drove their democratically elected leader from office in '14. But hey, democracy, right?Originally posted by Ming View PostAnd Putin is your hero because he invaded another country and killed and raped the people you claim he was protecting.
What a guy.
But I guess if you scream Nazi over and over again, Putin is the good guy. Guess what, he's a war criminal, and doesn't give a damn about the people... only the land.
And the defense? No coup, no Nazis, no peace efforts... The Ghost of Kiev saved Ukraine and evacuating children from battlefields is a war crime.
Can we let the people of the Donbas self-govern? If Russia did withdraw what would happen? Everyone smiles and shakes hands or the Nazis slaughter the protesters? Thats how this all began and the west will put Azov in charge of the Donbas with Nato missiles on the Russian border. I know how we'd react if Russia was setting up missiles on our border.
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russia is 10 times more destroyed becasueit is rendered into oblivion
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Also the poor people of ukraine are not nazis. nit in donbass not in anywhere
putin just destroyed a country that DARED to dream that it MIGHT be free
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but anyway iran attacking pakistan says: i'm here stronng and in control of my region. a very strong statement
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iran turkey greece
all those countries were under huge conservative fascist regimes.
only greece managed to getout and join its european brethern.
all 3 countries had huge communist/left wing parties.
only one saw it through
(unfortunately)
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the audacity for pakistan to attack iran and for iran to hit back
iran is amred to the teeth. unlike russia it has an endless wealth and determination. the fact that it didn't give a damn and attacked pakistan means a looooooooot.
Iran is where it's at
not russia, not israel
IRAN (respect to the old persian adversaries but they are a force to ber ecogned with)
the cresent moon of converging superpowers capabilities concentrate on Iran
(I hope it goes aginst turkey )
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Russia is sad now.
Ukraine is destroyed.
Maybe there will be a cease fire and an accord.
But noone seems to want it.
the west supports ukraine without a sweat. China wanst to try and support Russia.
thing is poor ukriane is wasted. and russia is pushed back to the middle ages.
I don't know if someone wantys this, but it has happened.
What is far more intersting and far more dangerous is that iran is an emering superpower.
and they are persians not some mongol tribe,
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