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**Aeson** · October 15, 2020, 20:42

Joe Biden's son uses his daddy's clout to get cushy deals from businesses around the world. Trump's children use their daddy's clout to get cushy deals from businesses around the world. Both include Chinese businesses.

The main difference is Trump does it directly himself too, and Hunter is not likely to be put in charge of handling the Middle East peace process, the pandemic, everything else, and whatever Ivanka does. Hunter will be relegated to the role of "Eric".

**Kidlicious** · October 15, 2020, 21:19

Originally posted by Aeson View Post

Joe Biden's son uses his daddy's clout to get cushy deals from businesses around the world. Trump's children use their daddy's clout to get cushy deals from businesses around the world. Both include Chinese businesses.

The main difference is Trump does it directly himself too, and Hunter is not likely to be put in charge of handling the Middle East peace process, the pandemic, everything else, and whatever Ivanka does. Hunter will be relegated to the role of "Eric".

That's not true at all. Biden got that prosecutor fired and all the corrupt and powerful people in the world cover for him and defend him. Then they smear whoever criticizes him with fake news.

If Biden wins he will never be investigated. None of the crooks will. He will protect all the crooks and they will protect him. The media will cover for him and tell you how great he is,, no matter what. You will keep drinking your koolaid and the world will continue to be ruled by the crooks. But you will say everything is Trump's fault.

**Jon Miller** · October 15, 2020, 21:35

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

That's not true at all. Biden got that prosecutor fired and all the corrupt and powerful people in the world cover for him and defend him. Then they smear whoever criticizes him with fake news.

The prosecutor wasn't investigating the company that hired Hunter. Everyone around the world opposed the prosecutor because of his corruption and supported him being fire. This is open knowledge, published in the newspapers at the time it was happening.

The whole smear doesn't make any sense.

JM

**Kidlicious** · October 15, 2020, 21:40

Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post

The prosecutor wasn't investigating the company that hired Hunter. Everyone around the world opposed the prosecutor because of his corruption and supported him being fire. This is open knowledge, published in the newspapers at the time it was happening.

The whole smear doesn't make any sense.

JM

They smeared him as being corrupt, but there were no actual charges of corruption. It's a smear by the crooks. Crooks smear the good guys. And yes he was investigating Burisma. That's what all the evidence shows.

**Kidlicious** · October 15, 2020, 21:42

House Republicans are asking the FBI about the laptop, if they had it during impeachment, why didn't they tell the President.

House Republicans ask FBI if it had Hunter Biden's alleged laptop during Trump's impeachment

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-gop-fbi-hunter-biden-laptop

EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans are calling on the FBI to reveal whether it was in possession of a laptop, that reportedly contained emails by Hunter Biden, during the impeachment of President Trump -- and claiming the agency committed a “gross error in judgement” if did not inform the White House.

**Berzerker** · October 15, 2020, 21:50

Yes he was investigating Burisma, he raided their offices 1-2 months before they finally canned him. But thats a side story, the "everyone around the world" refers to western actors who were funneling money into Ukraine to buy friends and favors to further erode Russian influence, thats why Putin invaded Crimea and E Ukraine.

We were bribing people and this Shokin guy was investigating the money trail. Just before he was fired a court gave him permission to pursue an investigation into bribery and corruption involving the west and 'reformers' within the country. Ever hear of The Atlantic Council? They were among the people smearing Shokin and they got paid off by Burisma too. Now why is it all these people you describe as everyone had a vested interest in firing Shokin?

When Biden fired Shokin it sent a message to 'everyone around the world' that we will spend a billion $ to fire anyone following the trail of slime we leave across the map.

**giblets** · October 15, 2020, 21:53

Assuming Biden actually did something shady, what did he get out of it? Money?

**Berzerker** · October 15, 2020, 22:09

Yes, his kid got millions from Burisma alone. But from what I've heard the Chinese govt shelled out over a billion to some joint venture "firm" Hunter profits from. I thought the Russians had dirt on Trump making him a target of blackmail but several countries can blackmail Biden.

**giblets** · October 15, 2020, 22:24

Can you blackmail someone with something they can't even remember doing?

**Berzerker** · October 15, 2020, 22:36

sure, blackmail the people who do remember

**Kidlicious** · October 16, 2020, 03:20

Originally posted by giblets View Post

Assuming Biden actually did something shady, what did he get out of it? Money?

That's what it looks like according to 2 of the emails leaked on day two. If that's not the case giving family members money is a legal bribe. That's the way they do it now, some Republicans too.

**Jon Miller** · October 16, 2020, 12:17

Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

Yes he was investigating Burisma, he raided their offices 1-2 months before they finally canned him. But thats a side story, the "everyone around the world" refers to western actors who were funneling money into Ukraine to buy friends and favors to further erode Russian influence, thats why Putin invaded Crimea and E Ukraine.

We were bribing people and this Shokin guy was investigating the money trail. Just before he was fired a court gave him permission to pursue an investigation into bribery and corruption involving the west and 'reformers' within the country. Ever hear of The Atlantic Council? They were among the people smearing Shokin and they got paid off by Burisma too. Now why is it all these people you describe as everyone had a vested interest in firing Shokin?

When Biden fired Shokin it sent a message to 'everyone around the world' that we will spend a billion $ to fire anyone following the trail of slime we leave across the map.

You changed your story though.

First it was that Biden's action were part of his personal corruption to project his son (who didn't need protecting). That is the story that the Trump campaign is trying to create.

But now you are saying that Biden's action was part of western political corruption to support western geopolitical interests. This is a story that Russia is trying to tell.

The only relation really between the two is that Russian operatives are involved in creating both.

JM

**Kidlicious** · October 16, 2020, 13:01

Shokin was investigating AnTAC (Soros anti-corruption org). AnTAC was trying to get him dismissed.

"In Spring 2016, the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine (GPO) looked for, and failed to find any criminal activities in AntAC's financial transactions. This criminal investigation had been triggered by prosecutors under the management of Prosecutor General Mr. Viktor Shokin, who was the subject of heavy public criticism by AntAC, which demanded his dismissal. Immeditaly after Mr. Shokin's resignation, the new Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko closed criminal proceedings against our organization "for the lack of the event of the crime". The so-called "pre-trial investigation" in the case had been accompanied by the disclosure of AnTAC's confidential financial information of on the internet, which had been illegally obtained by investigators through a court order."

- From AnTAC

There's also evidence that Biden wanted to get him fired because he was investigating Burisma.

It could be two motives, or just one.

**-Jrabbit** · October 16, 2020, 13:39

Well, it's now clear that the last 3 weeks of this campaign will be all about trying to avoid talking about the issues, and plans for the coming 4 years. Trump is avoiding debates, refusing to provide badly needed Covid relief, and downplaying the virus as infections rise to record levels.

What he is doing is promoting conspiracy theories, praising QAnon, trying to invent some 5-year-old imagined crime by Hunter that somehow means that Joe Biden did something wrong -- all in the face of a crime-free result of an investigation by Barr and a No Evidence of Wrongdoing result by Sen. Johnson's highly partisan Homeland Security investigation into Hunter and Joe Biden.

So the only "surprise" here is that it took them almost 2 weeks to invent this new Giuliani-based conspiracy theory after Trump's other lapdogs failed to invent any convincing evidence.

**Kidlicious** · October 16, 2020, 13:50

No evidence of wrongdoing, good joke there.

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