Wot no coronavirus thread? Part 2

[Ming]

Fascist has been called... proof that Kid is getting schooled

You are the one that thinks 300K + American Deaths and still climbing is nothing. Pretty much sums up your position.
Let em die because I don't want to wear a paper mask or practice common sense recommendations from Trumps Government.
Got it.

[Kidlicious]

So you are sticking to your claim that's the moral high ground and your right to risk other people's lives simply because you find wearing a mask uncomfortable... GOT IT



It's the governments duty to protect us.
And they are NOT saying you can't worship, or operate a business. But they can say how to do so without putting Millions of Americans at risk... You know duty to protect us.

The government can't tell you how to worship. It certainly can't tell the entire country how they can and can not worship just to save a very small percentage of the people who are mostly 80 yrs old plus.

You are talking about denying people's religious freedom as if that's nothing. Locked down countries aren't free countries and that's a huge deal. You don't deny the world freedom to save a very small minority of elderly people from dying a little bit sooner.

[Kidlicious]

Fascist has been called... proof that Kid is getting schooled

You are the one that thinks 300K + American Deaths and still climbing is nothing. Pretty much sums up your position.
Let em die because I don't want to wear a paper mask or practice common sense recommendations from Trumps Government.
Got it.

Its nothing compared to your fascism so stop with the caricature. As long as you stick with your caricature you automatically lose. Remember that.

[Ming]

Fascism... caricature... just more proof you are being schooled.
But keep it up.
I leave it up to others to decide for themselves who actually cares about their fellow Americans and who only cares for themself.

[Kidlicious]

Fascism... caricature... just more proof you are being schooled.
But keep it up.
I leave it up to others to decide for themselves who actually cares about their fellow Americans and who only cares for themself.

And if they realize that you just continually appeal to emotion and try to shame people like some woke 20 year old then they won't be fooled.

[Ming]

As I said, I will leave it to others to make up their own minds.

I guess to you 300K+ American Deaths is just an emotional issue so it doesn't really matter as long as you aren't one of them
GOT IT.

[Kidlicious]

I would gladly be one of them if it would stop the insanity. Unfortunately all those people died and we have our rights violated. Your lockdown didn't save them. Maybe you think it did.

[Ming]

I think the lock down, mask wearing, social distancing, controlled crowd sizes and other recommendations issued by the Government did save lives... FAR MORE COULD HAVE DIED. On the other hand, far less would have died if everybody had followed along. Research studies support that position.

But go ahead and support your right not to wear a paper mask because you find it uncomfortable and put fellow Americans at risk of disease and death...
To me, that's the real insanity here.

[-Jrabbit]

You won't see this story on OAN or Newsmax. It's about what Kid's "rights" are doing to rural America. And yes, that includes nearly all of Oklahoma.

Pandemic Politics Driving Health Care Workers From Small Towns

The virus infecting thousands of Americans a day is also attacking the country's social fabric. The coronavirus has exposed a weakness in many rural communities, where divisive pandemic politics are alienating some of their most critical residents — health care workers.

A wave of departing medical professionals would leave gaping holes in the rural health care system, and small-town economies, triggering a death spiral in some of these areas that may be hard to stop.

Ten years ago, Dr. Kristina Darnauerand her husband, Jeff, moved to tiny Sterling, Kan., to raise their kids steeped in small-town values.

"The values of hard work, the value of community, taking care of your neighbor, that's what small towns shout from the rooftops, this is what we're good at. We are salt of the earth people who care about each other," Darnauer says. "And here I am saying, then wear a mask because that protects your precious neighbor."

But Darnauer's medical advice and moral admonition were met with contempt from some of her friends, neighbors and patients. People who had routinely buttonholed her for quick medical advice at church and kids' ballgames were suddenly treating her as the enemy and regarding her professional opinion as suspect and offensive.

"Heartbreaking"

COVID-19 cases in the county started to climb. Meanwhile, other small Kansas towns flared into some of the pandemic's hottest hot spots.

"It's heartbreaking," Darnauer says. "Because we say, this is what we value. And then when we actually had the chance to walk it out, we did it really poorly."

The pushback was too much. Darnauer resigned her position as Rice County medical director in July. Some friends reached out to support her, and her bonds with other local health care professionals strengthened, but she felt disrespected and betrayed by the ascendant anti-mask portion of the community. Darnauer says the pandemic has exposed a rift that won't be forgotten.

"Hard things should bring us together," Darnauer says. "And instead, this hard thing has driven a wedge between us."

That wedge is splitting off health care workers from communities that desperately need them.

More than a quarter of all the public health administrators in Kansas quit, retired or got fired this year, according to Vicki Collie-Akers, an associate professor of population health at the University of Kansas. Some of them got death threats. Some had to hire armed guards.

"These are leaders in their community," Collie-Akers says. "And they are leaving broken." Collie-Akers notes these professionals also leaving at a terrible time. The pandemic is still raging. Vaccines still need to get from cities to small towns and into people's arms; public health officers are as important as ever.

And who, she asks, is going to take the jobs health care directors are leaving?

"It's not a secret that the position is open because of extreme tension between the health department director and the city commissioner, county commission, or because the person has required a guard," Collie-Akers says.

"No good year for rural health"

And it's not just Kansas. Alan Morgan, CEO of the National Rural Health Association, says this is happening across a lot of rural America.

"It's been a terrible, an absolute terrible, no good year for rural health," Morgan says.

Morgan worries that the loss of county health directors in the middle of a pandemic will lead to sicker rural populations and still more pressure on rural hospitals.

Rural hospitals were in deep trouble before the pandemic. Morgan says 132 of them have closed since 2010. COVID-19 made matters worse. The surge of desperately sick and highly contagious patients stopped hospitals from doing the lucrative elective outpatient procedures that keep them in business. Their small staffs have been run ragged. And the pandemic has filled the air with vitriol against medical expertise.

Rural health care jobs can be hard to fill in the best of times; now, Morgan says many rural hospitals he represents are growing desperate.

"In community after community, after community, all I hear about is workforce, workforce, workforce losing clinical staff, trying to attract clinical staff into these communities. It is taking up the full time of our members right now," Morgan says.

Closing rural hospitals, Morgan says, cuts health care to places where residents tend to be older, sicker and poorer than average.

Lifeblood of community

It also undermines the rural economy. Hospitals are often the biggest employers in small towns, according to Chris Merrett, director of the Illinois Institute for Rural Affairs. And Merrett says health care workers are absolutely vital.

"They are really the lifeblood of any community and a rural community in particular," Merrett says. "These are well-paid individuals who are the ones who are buying cars, buying homes, and really part of that economic anchor of your community."

Merrett says towns that let pandemic politics drive medical professionals away are choosing what he calls "toxic individualism" over the common good.

There are signs that months of pushback against rural health care providers may be starting to slack. Morgan says mask compliance has soared in small towns with major COVID-19 outbreaks.

And though Darnauer has stepped away from the county health department, and thought long and hard about moving out of Sterling this summer, she's decided to stay and practice medicine there, at least for now.

"There were enough people that sort of reached out to give me hope that some of the values and of this small town were still there," Darnauer says. "And that's what's keeping me going."

Kid can't see the forest for the trees. Pandemic politics is destroying both the economy and the health of the very parts of small-town America that Kid claims he wants to protect with his "rights." But hey, maybe if enough "trees" die from unnecessary COVID exposure, lack of medical care, and having to wait longer for vaccines, he will start to see the blatant stupidity of his position.

Yet somehow, I doubt it.

[Kidlicious]

You won't see this story on OAN or Newsmax. It's about what Kid's "rights" are doing to rural America. And yes, that includes nearly all of Oklahoma.



Kid can't see the forest for the trees. Pandemic politics is destroying both the economy and the health of the very parts of small-town America that Kid claims he wants to protect with his "rights." But hey, maybe if enough "trees" die from unnecessary COVID exposure, lack of medical care, and having to wait longer for vaccines, he will start to see the blatant stupidity of his position.

Yet somehow, I doubt it.

No. Take your big city politics with you. Bye bye. Don't let the door hit you in the a$$.

[-Jrabbit]

Clearly you didn't read the story.

[Kidlicious]

I seriously doubt if health care workers are leaving because of politics. If they are then so be it. Living in a rural community is a lot better than living in the city. But hey, hope you enjoy your city away from all of us.

Truth is I come from the city. I had negative expectations about rural people but they are just different. Now I preferred them to city people.

[-Jrabbit]

"No health care workers in the rural communities? So be it."
This is how you demonstrate your feelings for those you claim to prefer?!?! Apparently you're good with death threats against health care workers. That's seriously sick, dude.

[Proteus_MST]

You don't understand what the right to life is. It means that the government can't kill you

Obviously the government can kill you.
Ask those people who were ordered by Trump to be put to death around christmas.

Oh wait, you cannot, because they were put to death by the government.

You may also ask other peple, like the students who were killed by the government at Kent State university,
or George Floyd opr Daniel Shaver or countless others but, they, too, aren't alive anyxmore because they were killed by the government.

[Kidlicious]

Obviously the government can kill you.
Ask those people who were ordered by Trump to be put to death around christmas.

Oh wait, you cannot, because they were put to death by the government.

You may also ask other peple, like the students who were killed by the government at Kent State university,
or George Floyd opr Daniel Shaver or countless others but, they, too, aren't alive anyxmore because they were killed by the government.

So you are in favor of the death penalty or are you against government abuse?

The government has not right to deprive people of their property and religious freedom in order to keep very old and sick people alive. This is different that it killing people, which btw it does not have the right to do the way George Floyd was killed.

[Berzerker]

government has extra power under the Constitution in times of emergency, they can even declare martial law, ignore habeas corpus, and draft us to fight wars

Instead I would argue businesses, churches, people locked down should be compensated like other countries have done. The Constitution gives Congress the power of eminent domain and this seems to be of that nature.

[Kidlicious]

The thing is they harmed the entire country, everyone. They can't compensate people for that. Maybe China needs to pay anyway.

But in war it is justified because if the nation is conquered all the people lose everything.

[Ming]

The government has not right to deprive people of their property and religious freedom in order to keep very old and sick people alive.

I don't see the Government taking anybodies property away, or not allowing people to believe in their gods...
And it's typical of Kid to not care about anybody but himself. In Kidland, he gets to decide who lives and dies. And by the way Kid, young and healthy people have died as well. Maybe you should see some other media outlets than youtube.

[-Jrabbit]

Plenty of property has been taken by the government along the Mexico border.

[Kidlicious]

They were compensated.

[-Jrabbit]

So you admit it. Some serious eminent domain bullsh1t .

[Kidlicious]

I don't see the Government taking anybodies property away, or not allowing people to believe in their gods...
And it's typical of Kid to not care about anybody but himself. In Kidland, he gets to decide who lives and dies. And by the way Kid, young and healthy people have died as well. Maybe you should see some other media outlets than youtube.

1) Many people have lost their businesses because the government has prohibited them from operating them. That's depriving people of their property.

2) Religious freedom has less to do with what you believe as it does the government not being allowed to tell you how to worship or in telling you that you must worship a certain way, which is what they are doing.

3) Most people understand that they are not at risk of death. We're talking 90%+, and those that are afraid are so because of government propaganda designed to create hysteria so that more people will be submissive. And this is the key. The government is in violation of the social contract because they are violating most people rights in a way that isn't a net benefit to them. Instead it benefits only a minority and the government itself.

[Ming]

Tell all that to the friends and family of over 2,900 health care workers who have died trying to help others...
They are real heroes, not old, or sick people. But you have no problem with them dying, simply because a mask is uncomfortable to wear...
Got it... you first, and screw everybody else, even real heroes.