In Other News

[BeBMan]

Belgian police raided her (and other) offices/whatever and thought she is corrupt just because they found bags full of cash or so. IMO that's jumping to conclusions. Might just have been emergency cash in case of a raid

[Uncle Sparky]

Beware of Greeks accepting gifts.

[Dinner]

I wonder what happened to the Principality of Sealand?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

It is basically a sandbank in the North Sea where the U.K. built an anti-aircraft platform in WW2 then later abandoned after the war. An excentric British fishing boat captain later tried to use an absurd interpretation of international law to claim it was abandoned territory and declared it an independent country and himself the prince of "Sealand" as he called the abandoned AA platform.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I thought this was the other news thread, where is the serious news thread?

There's several - but go ahead and start a new one...

[BeBMan]

The self-proclaimed kingdom that doesn't recognise Germany
(...)

I was issuing papers to my own country when I was a kid

We were an exclusive bunch, staying in the low single-digit number of inhabitants

We always lacked intl recognition tho

[Berzerker]

thats a pretty big gap but doesn't mean they invented fire

[Berzerker]

It would be polite to stop discussing serious issues -if imaginary- in the Weird News thread...

I thought this was the other news thread, where is the serious news thread?

[Broken_Erika]

The self-proclaimed kingdom that doesn't recognise Germany


In the depths of the countryside in eastern Germany, there's an invisible border.

The turrets of an imposing castle loom out of the treetops. A sign on its front door solemnly informs the visitor that they've entered - in effect - a new country.

The "Königreich Deutschland" (Kingdom of Germany) is a self-proclaimed independent state - complete with its own self-appointed king.

Peter the First, as he prefers to be known, receives us in a rather gloomy wood-panelled hall.

It's about a decade since his coronation - there was a ceremony, complete with orb and sceptre - and the foundation of his so-called kingdom, which mints its own money, prints its own ID cards and has its own flag.

He's what's known in Germany as a "Reichsbürger" (Citizen of the Reich), one of an estimated 21,000 people who are defined by the country's intelligence agencies as conspiracy theorists who don't recognise the legitimacy of the post-war German state.

They've risen to prominence this week, with the arrest of 25 people in raids on Reichsbürger suspected of plotting to storm the German parliament building, the Reichstag, in a violent overthrow of the government.

King Peter says he has no such violent intentions.

But he does believe the German state to be "destructive and sick".

"I have no interest in being part of this fascist and satanic system," he says.

We settle in another room to talk, on plush armchairs under a glittering chandelier.

But this is no salon; we're surrounded by lights and cameras. This is King Peter's own TV studio - he hopes to start a TV channel - and I learn that one of his subjects will be recording every moment of our interaction.

He felt, he said, that he had no choice but to found his kingdom, having tried, unsuccessfully, to run as a mayor and a member of the German parliament.

"People who are corrupt, criminal or willing to be used thrive in the German system and those with an honest heart, who want to change the world for the better, in the interests of the common good, don't have a chance."

His real name is Peter Fitzek, and his activities have brought him into frequent conflict with the German law.

Germany doesn't recognise the kingdom or its documents: Mr Fitzek has several convictions for driving without a licence and running his own health insurance programme. He also went to prison for several years for embezzling his citizens' money but the conviction was later quashed.

The regional intelligence service, which has been watching him and his kingdom for nearly two years, told us they regarded it as a threat. They liken it to a cult which exposes people to conspiracy theories and extremist ideology.

Such theories and ideology have proliferated in Germany in recent years, fuelled by the pandemic. And Covid-19 appears to have increased support and membership of the kingdom.

Mr Fitzek tells us he has about 5,000 citizens. He's expanding the kingdom, buying up land in Germany in order to set up a number of communities in which those people can ultimately live.

We visited one such outpost about 150 miles (240km) away from the king's castle.

Ancient trees surround the site of another old castle in the village of Bärwalde, an hour and a half's drive south of Berlin. Around 30 people live on the site either in the main building or caravans which scatter the lawn along the main driveway.

Despite the faded beauty of the castle, it's a bleak place. They're still renovating the buildings and clearing the grounds. Tree trunks still grow through the skeleton of an old greenhouse.

But the people here are proud of their home which they also consider it to be kingdom territory.

Citizens don't pay German tax and won't send their children to school, which is illegal in Germany. They are bound by their own legal structure - presided over, I'm told, by King Peter - and ultimately they intend to have their own healthcare system.

"The kingdom can provide everything that you need in daily life. Food and nourishment, social security, all these systems are there," says Benjamin, who recently moved in with his young family and is responsible for PR.

For all their plans to build a sustainable green community, using modern technologies, citizens appear to have little faith in modern medicine.

No-one here is vaccinated against Covid-19, Benjamin told me. It's a common position for Reichsbürger, many of whom joined protests against measures to control the pandemic.

"People who think for themselves today will often be condemned as conspiracy theorists," says Benjamin. "But it's a fact that these are often the people who stay up at night thinking about problems, not just their own but those of society and politics."

As we left the commune and drove back through the village, a neighbour was standing on his front lawn.

When I asked what he thought of his neighbours, he frowned. They should pay tax he said. After all, they still accessed Germany's resources. But what worried him the most, he added, were his own children. "What kind of influence will this lot have on them?"

For many years Reichsbürger were a bit of a national joke. Germany is learning to take them seriously.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63916812

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

It would be polite to stop discussing serious issues -if imaginary- in the Weird News thread...

[Berzerker]

Journalists expose mass spying on Americans under Obama
Democrats declare it a conspiracy theory
Snowden proves it
Democrats say everyone knew, its a nothingburger

[Berzerker]

Kyrsten Simena has gone independent, now the Senate has 3 independents - 2 (King and Bernie) caucus with the Democrats

[Berzerker]

Back in the 1980s CIA director Bill Casey's war in Nicaragua was defunded by Congress, that led to Iran Contra where the CIA was selling weapons to Iran to pay central american terrorists. This really upset the CIA so Casey set out to ensure future funding Congress couldn't cut off and thats when the CIA got heavily involved with drug trafficking.

[EPW]

Morgan Freeman posts a family photo on twitter

[N35t0r]

I'm sure there are plenty of terrorist groups out there that would be very happy with Russian weapons. If I was Russia, I would begin to arm anti-western terrorist so they could cause havoc and divert resources from Ukraine. Even cold war era weapons from Russia's vast stores would be a boon to lots of extremists.

It does seem like they need those weapons though...

And the stored stuff seems to be mostly in a very bad condition.

[PLATO]

I guess that the US doesn't consider him very dangerous anymore? It's not like Russian weapons will be a very hot item in the near future.

I'm sure there are plenty of terrorist groups out there that would be very happy with Russian weapons. If I was Russia, I would begin to arm anti-western terrorist so they could cause havoc and divert resources from Ukraine. Even cold war era weapons from Russia's vast stores would be a boon to lots of extremists.