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[pchang]

Seems like there should be some sort of grounds for getting kicked out of the alliance.

[PLATO]

Just so we know exactly what Article 5 says:

"The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security "

I would imagine that conflict between two NATO members would imply, in this case, that the Alliance would make a full on Diplomatic press for an immediate Cease Fire as "such action as it deems necessary" and not become militarily involved. Turkey could probably also expect, if it is the aggressor, that NATO arms shipments would be delayed until such cease fire is in effect. In addition, Turkey would probably not be able to utilize any NATO intelligence gathering wrt the conflict. Beyond that, I don't see NATO doing to much unless Greece "proper" is attacked. Turkey will almost assuredly limit operations to disputed areas.

[Proteus_MST]

Is Turkey really threatening to attack Greece? If Turkey does attack Greece, what happens with article 5?

As Turkey would be the aggressor, only Greece (as the attacked country) could invoke Article 5.
In that case, Turkey would be oblieged to give military and logistic assistance to Greece agaimst the attacking country (i.e.Turkey).
But AFAIK there would be no consequences if Turkey wouldn't do so.

[BeBMan]

No idea. Let's hope it's just sabre-rattling.

[pchang]

Is Turkey really threatening to attack Greece? If Turkey does attack Greece, what happens with article 5?

[Uncle Sparky]

Nap time? I don't need no stinkin' nap time!

[Dauphin]

Getting all cars to be electric, and then setting up a gas power plant that burns all the fuel that would have gone to the cars would produce excess electricity, and reduce particulate pollution in cities to boot.

If instead they can avoid to have to burn fossil fuels and deploy enough renewables, then it's even better.

But I guess that destructive levels of climate change in the future are okay, because otherwise people might be slightly inconvenienced.

THere does seem to be an odd false economy, because electric cars are cheaper to drive per mile (I've seen 4 cents per mile quoted petrol vs electricity cost), and cheaper to service due to electric vehicles having less risk of mechanical failure due to fewer moving parts (I've seen this quoted at about 60% the cost). Upfront cost is what most people see I guess, which can be hefty.

Cars with solar panel rooves may save you a small top up too, a few km per day, a few thousand a year.....

[Proteus_MST]

I don't think your average fridge has 200hp, or does 0-60mph in anything less than an eternity.

True ... 60 mph would be a little too much to expect

https://www.businessinsider.com/panasonic-voice-activated-fridge-2017-9

[BeBMan]

There was a GOP candidate ad where he appeared with his kids. They had all StarWars toys. Kids had X-Wings, the GOP man had a TIE fighter.

Dark Side?

I don't remember the guy's name, or if he really was a GOP man. But I saw this short bits of the vid with SW stuff

[N35t0r]

California wants electric cars by 2035

California is asking people to stop charging their electric vehicles due to the load on the system

Thomas Massie R-Ky said charging a car requires 25x the energy to run a frig

Getting all cars to be electric, and then setting up a gas power plant that burns all the fuel that would have gone to the cars would produce excess electricity, and reduce particulate pollution in cities to boot.

If instead they can avoid to have to burn fossil fuels and deploy enough renewables, then it's even better.

But I guess that destructive levels of climate change in the future are okay, because otherwise people might be slightly inconvenienced.

[Dauphin]

I don't think your average fridge has 200hp, or does 0-60mph in anything less than an eternity.

[Berzerker]

California wants electric cars by 2035

California is asking people to stop charging their electric vehicles due to the load on the system

Thomas Massie R-Ky said charging a car requires 25x the energy to run a frig

[Uncle Sparky]

First round Peltola was leading with 39.66% of votes cast. The next 2 candidates were GOP. In a regular first-past-the-post vote, the Dems would have won.

[PLATO]

Interesting result due to it being a ranked choice election. Any idea if the result would have been different in a traditional election?

[PLATO]

Does it come with a flux capacitor option? What about a Mr. Fusion?