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[N35t0r]

if a booster doesn't help people who got covid but does help people who got the original 2 shots, then my conclusion is natural immunity is better than the 2 shots.

You're free to conclude whatever you want, but just so you know that reasoning goes against the evidence.

They were not comparing COVID vs COVID+booster and vaccines vs vaccines+booster separely. They were comparing both against the baseline (not vaccinated).

You seem to think that they are somehow getting their immune systems and checking how strong they are, and that no improvement means that they must already be strong.

No.

They are comparing how many people get symptomatic COVID among the several populations. If a booster doesn't help people who got COVID but does help people who didn't, it means that the people who didn't get COVID got sick less than the people who had gotten COVID earlier.

This is exactly the opposite of what you claim.

Now if they want to argue getting Covid followed by 2 shots does add protection, thats not what I was addressing. I'm talking about the boosters and the 2 shots wear off while natural immunity appears better long term.

Then post a study that supports that.
You posted the above study and then claimed that it supports the opposite of what it does. If you don't like what they argue, then I guess you shouldn't post it, not complain about it.

Also, the studies I've seen comparing Covid immunity to Covid immunity + the 2 shots show Covid immunity is doing the heavy lifting. The shots help a little but the shots without the prior infection don't match natural immunity. As I recall one large study from SoCal showed vaccinated people were 25x better protected than the unvaccinated whereas Covid immunity was 50x better. Covid immunity + 2 shots was 55x better.

Please post these studies. Above I posted a link to a recent study (published December 7th), that found that:

Individuals who, despite having been vaccinated against COVID-19, develop the disease and are hospitalized are less likely to go to an intensive care unit (ICU), more likely to have a shorter hospital stay, and less likely to die in the hospital than individuals hospitalized for COVID who were never vaccinated,

[BeBMan]

When asked if he was ready to make his concession speach, Herschel Walker said, "Yes. I'd like two loaded footlongs, and a coke."

At least he gave a concession speech, progress I think

[EPW]

Okay?

[Berzerker]

if a booster doesn't help people who got covid but does help people who got the original 2 shots, then my conclusion is natural immunity is better than the 2 shots. Now if they want to argue getting Covid followed by 2 shots does add protection, thats not what I was addressing. I'm talking about the boosters and the 2 shots wear off while natural immunity appears better long term.

Also, the studies I've seen comparing Covid immunity to Covid immunity + the 2 shots show Covid immunity is doing the heavy lifting. The shots help a little but the shots without the prior infection don't match natural immunity. As I recall one large study from SoCal showed vaccinated people were 25x better protected than the unvaccinated whereas Covid immunity was 50x better. Covid immunity + 2 shots was 55x better.

[Berzerker]

"While booster vaccination was associated with additional protection against Omicron BA.1 infection in people without a documented prior infection, it was not found to be associated with additional protection among people with a documented prior infection."

iow, the boosters dont add protection for people who already got Covid but it does help people (temporarily anyway) who got the original 2 shots or never got either.

Another study showed vaccinated people were more likely to get and spread Covid than the unvaccinated. Wanna guess why? It would be funny if people didn't die as a result, but Fauci and the media and government were telling people if they got vaccinated they wouldn't get or spread Covid. Well, for 2-3 weeks the vaccinated were doing better than the unvaccinated but then the antibody spike faded and vaccinated people convinced they were safe went about life while the unvaccinated people were still social distancing.

As a result over several months vaccinated people were getting and spreading Covid at higher rates than the unvaccinated. But as time went on in the study the news of "breakthrough" infections increased so vaccinated people started taking better precautions but they were still getting and spreading Covid more than the unvaccinated months after the shots.

[N35t0r]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-...-affected.html

More evidence natural immunity acquired from covid infection is better... still better... than a vaccination

boosters dont help people who already got infected but do help people who got the original 2 shots

Also, none of what you say is what the linked article claims. In fact, quite the opposite.

IIn this study, we observed that primary vaccination provided significant but limited protection against Omicron (lineage BA.1) infection among people with and without a documented prior infection. While booster vaccination was associated with additional protection against Omicron BA.1 infection in people without a documented prior infection, it was not found to be associated with additional protection among people with a documented prior infection. These findings support primary vaccination in people regardless of documented prior infection status but suggest that infection history may impact the relative benefit of booster doses.

So, summing up: vaccinated people still are better protected from omicron than non vaccinated people, (regardless of if they have had COVID or not, so having caught COVID doesn't appear to give any benefit over vaccinating) and boosted people without a prior infection were even better protected than boosted people with a prior COVID infection (who were on par with vaccinated but not boosted people).

In the paper, they cite another study done among correctional facility population in which the booster does improve protection among previously infected people, and mention it might be a really particular to that population, or it might be sampling error on their part (they had a small sample size of boosted and infected people)

If you look further into the paper, they mention that even in people who have already had COVID, a primary vaccination (so COVID + 2 mRNA doses) is 41% more effective at preventing symptomatic cases than only a previous infection.

[N35t0r]

That's not what a lot of studies have concluded though, for example:

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/973610

[Uncle Sparky]

When asked if he was ready to make his concession speach, Herschel Walker said, "Yes. I'd like two loaded footlongs, and a coke."

[Berzerker]

Obama made a Freudian slip while trash talking Herschel Walker, he called him "Uncle Joe" while describing a mentally deficient family member

in other news, looks like Twitter was conspiring with the DNC, the Biden campaign and the FBI to censor damaging information about Biden family corruption. These are the people saving democracy from the fascists and you better be grateful or else.

[pchang]

What kind of lunatic turns off someone else’s oxygen machine? This kind.

[pchang]

Yes. That was gibberish:

[Broken_Erika]

yep, barely even noticed it 'cause of the vaccine, had very mild cold symptoms.

[Berzerker]

No, the science shows if you got covid you're better protected from Omicron than vaccinated people... By this point most everyone has either been vaccinated or gotten covid, the boosters dont help the latter. That is good to know.

[Berzerker]

I got the 2 shots about 15 months ago and considered a booster, I'm waiting to see if they come up with a better nasal vaccine because I'm not getting a shot every year. I've done so much damage to my airways maybe the virus cant get started.

[Berzerker]

get yer vitamin D folks - big study shows a 1/3rd reduction in mortality for people with good levels... and lose weight

its kinda weird how fat is such a major factor, its like the body's organs get squished together maybe even at a cellular level making it easier for bugs to jump to other organs. Or maybe thats just gibberish