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[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

It would be polite to stop discussing serious issues -if imaginary- in the Weird News thread...

[Berzerker]

Journalists expose mass spying on Americans under Obama
Democrats declare it a conspiracy theory
Snowden proves it
Democrats say everyone knew, its a nothingburger

[Berzerker]

Kyrsten Simena has gone independent, now the Senate has 3 independents - 2 (King and Bernie) caucus with the Democrats

[Berzerker]

Back in the 1980s CIA director Bill Casey's war in Nicaragua was defunded by Congress, that led to Iran Contra where the CIA was selling weapons to Iran to pay central american terrorists. This really upset the CIA so Casey set out to ensure future funding Congress couldn't cut off and thats when the CIA got heavily involved with drug trafficking.

[EPW]

Morgan Freeman posts a family photo on twitter

[N35t0r]

I'm sure there are plenty of terrorist groups out there that would be very happy with Russian weapons. If I was Russia, I would begin to arm anti-western terrorist so they could cause havoc and divert resources from Ukraine. Even cold war era weapons from Russia's vast stores would be a boon to lots of extremists.

It does seem like they need those weapons though...

And the stored stuff seems to be mostly in a very bad condition.

[PLATO]

I guess that the US doesn't consider him very dangerous anymore? It's not like Russian weapons will be a very hot item in the near future.

I'm sure there are plenty of terrorist groups out there that would be very happy with Russian weapons. If I was Russia, I would begin to arm anti-western terrorist so they could cause havoc and divert resources from Ukraine. Even cold war era weapons from Russia's vast stores would be a boon to lots of extremists.

[N35t0r]

Good for Brittany, but not an equal exchange. Victor Bout is a very dangerous man and should never have been let free. Still...it is good to see Brittany on the way home.

I guess that the US doesn't consider him very dangerous anymore? It's not like Russian weapons will be a very hot item in the near future.

[PLATO]

Griner released in prisoner swap for Russian arms dealer.

Good for Brittany, but not an equal exchange. Victor Bout is a very dangerous man and should never have been let free. Still...it is good to see Brittany on the way home.

[SlowwHand]

Griner released in prisoner swap for Russian arms dealer.

[N35t0r]

if a booster doesn't help people who got covid but does help people who got the original 2 shots, then my conclusion is natural immunity is better than the 2 shots.

You're free to conclude whatever you want, but just so you know that reasoning goes against the evidence.

They were not comparing COVID vs COVID+booster and vaccines vs vaccines+booster separely. They were comparing both against the baseline (not vaccinated).

You seem to think that they are somehow getting their immune systems and checking how strong they are, and that no improvement means that they must already be strong.

No.

They are comparing how many people get symptomatic COVID among the several populations. If a booster doesn't help people who got COVID but does help people who didn't, it means that the people who didn't get COVID got sick less than the people who had gotten COVID earlier.

This is exactly the opposite of what you claim.

Now if they want to argue getting Covid followed by 2 shots does add protection, thats not what I was addressing. I'm talking about the boosters and the 2 shots wear off while natural immunity appears better long term.

Then post a study that supports that.
You posted the above study and then claimed that it supports the opposite of what it does. If you don't like what they argue, then I guess you shouldn't post it, not complain about it.

Also, the studies I've seen comparing Covid immunity to Covid immunity + the 2 shots show Covid immunity is doing the heavy lifting. The shots help a little but the shots without the prior infection don't match natural immunity. As I recall one large study from SoCal showed vaccinated people were 25x better protected than the unvaccinated whereas Covid immunity was 50x better. Covid immunity + 2 shots was 55x better.

Please post these studies. Above I posted a link to a recent study (published December 7th), that found that:

Individuals who, despite having been vaccinated against COVID-19, develop the disease and are hospitalized are less likely to go to an intensive care unit (ICU), more likely to have a shorter hospital stay, and less likely to die in the hospital than individuals hospitalized for COVID who were never vaccinated,

[BeBMan]

When asked if he was ready to make his concession speach, Herschel Walker said, "Yes. I'd like two loaded footlongs, and a coke."

At least he gave a concession speech, progress I think

[EPW]

Okay?

[Berzerker]

if a booster doesn't help people who got covid but does help people who got the original 2 shots, then my conclusion is natural immunity is better than the 2 shots. Now if they want to argue getting Covid followed by 2 shots does add protection, thats not what I was addressing. I'm talking about the boosters and the 2 shots wear off while natural immunity appears better long term.

Also, the studies I've seen comparing Covid immunity to Covid immunity + the 2 shots show Covid immunity is doing the heavy lifting. The shots help a little but the shots without the prior infection don't match natural immunity. As I recall one large study from SoCal showed vaccinated people were 25x better protected than the unvaccinated whereas Covid immunity was 50x better. Covid immunity + 2 shots was 55x better.

[Berzerker]

"While booster vaccination was associated with additional protection against Omicron BA.1 infection in people without a documented prior infection, it was not found to be associated with additional protection among people with a documented prior infection."

iow, the boosters dont add protection for people who already got Covid but it does help people (temporarily anyway) who got the original 2 shots or never got either.

Another study showed vaccinated people were more likely to get and spread Covid than the unvaccinated. Wanna guess why? It would be funny if people didn't die as a result, but Fauci and the media and government were telling people if they got vaccinated they wouldn't get or spread Covid. Well, for 2-3 weeks the vaccinated were doing better than the unvaccinated but then the antibody spike faded and vaccinated people convinced they were safe went about life while the unvaccinated people were still social distancing.

As a result over several months vaccinated people were getting and spreading Covid at higher rates than the unvaccinated. But as time went on in the study the news of "breakthrough" infections increased so vaccinated people started taking better precautions but they were still getting and spreading Covid more than the unvaccinated months after the shots.