Fake News Reporting Thread

[Kidlicious]

[Ming]

Typical response from Kid when he is proven wrong.

[-Jrabbit]

Self pwnage by his own highly questionable source.

[Proteus_MST]

Leftists, fake news, and Rinos have been saying that non-citizens commit LESS crime. FALSE! LIE!

We now have reliable data. 21% of federal inmates are non-citizens. Only 12.9% of the population are non-citizen.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/21/no...deral-inmates/

Thanks for posting the link.
According to the same report:

Among the 37,557 confirmed aliens, 35,334 people (94 percent) were unlawfully present.

And also:

The report does not have data on the populations in state prisons and local jails, which make up roughly 90 percent of the total American incarcerated population.

So, what we have here is just data on 10 % of the inmates (which means that it is not really reporesentative)

And only 6 % of the alien prison population is made up of aliens who are in the USA legally.
That means, the prison population of federal prisons contains just 1.26 % aliens who actually are legal.
Much much less than the percentage of non citizens among the american population

I didn't read the full report, but because of the high amount of illegal aliens I furthermore suspect, that the majority of illegal aliens incarcerated in federal prisons are incarcerated as preparation for their deportation (and not because they have commited any other crime than being illegally in the USA).
Under this assumption you will probably get an even much lower percentage (of aliens among the prison population), if you onjly count aliens who are there for some other crime than being illegally in the USA

Actually all in all it sounds to me like the vetting process any aliens (including refugees) have to undergo works very well
(i.e. as long as you underwent the vetting process and as long as you are legally in the USA, you have a much lower chance of commiting a crime that lands you in federal prison, than the US born citizens have)

[Kidlicious]

Typical response from Kid when he is proven wrong.

typical response from Ming when he is lying.

[Ming]

Please post where you think I lied.

The fact is, you were proven wrong yet again because you didn't bother to read/comprehend your own link.

Have a nice day...

[Kidlicious]

Thanks for posting the link.
According to the same report:


And also:


So, what we have here is just data on 10 % of the inmates (which means that it is not really reporesentative)

And only 6 % of the alien prison population is made up of aliens who are in the USA legally.
That means, the prison population of federal prisons contains just 1.26 % aliens who actually are legal.
Much much less than the percentage of non citizens among the american population

I didn't read the full report, but because of the high amount of illegal aliens I furthermore suspect, that the majority of illegal aliens incarcerated in federal prisons are incarcerated as preparation for their deportation (and not because they have commited any other crime than being illegally in the USA).
Under this assumption you will probably get an even much lower percentage (of aliens among the prison population), if you onjly count aliens who are there for some other crime than being illegally in the USA

Actually all in all it sounds to me like the vetting process any aliens (including refugees) have to undergo works very well
(i.e. as long as you underwent the vetting process and as long as you are legally in the USA, you have a much lower chance of commiting a crime that lands you in federal prison, than the US born citizens have)

1) 10% is a huge sample
2) 2% of the population are awaiting immigration court. You would have known that if you would have read the SHORT report.

[Proteus_MST]

1) 10% is a huge sample
2) 2% of the population are awaiting immigration court. You would have known that if you would have read the SHORT report.

1) It is (most probably) not a representative sample.
It only contains fgederal prison and marshal prison inmates ... which may eb a group distinct from the state prison inmates.

It would only be representative, if you took samples from all types of prison.
(as I guess that, for example, state prisons has (at least in part) inmates serving for other crimes than those in federal prisons).

Actually, to be representative you would even have to take samples from each state prison in each state (as different states may have other types of crimes (for which they incarcerate you) ... and also the population structure may ber different (exam,ple: in a state with high percentage of immigrants, you may, most probably frin a hiugher percentage opf inmates of non US borns than in one with only a miniscule percentage of immigrants)


2) Well, I am not familiar with the US procedure for deportation. So I am not sure whether someone who "has been ordered removed" (51% of alien inmates) is in federal prison because of this (i.e. the order of removal from US soil) or whether the order of removal is independent from his incarceration. Likewise I am not sure whether the inmates "under investigation" (38 % of federal prison inmates) are there because of violating immigration law or because of other crimes.


3) Of course everything still doesn't change the fact that legal aliens only make up 1.2 % of the federal prison population

[rah]

Does the Kidiot every get tired of being wrong? Of course he doesn't.

[giblets]

1) 10% is a huge sample
2) 2% of the population are awaiting immigration court. You would have known that if you would have read the SHORT report.

10% would be a large sample if it was a random sample, which it obviously isn't.

[Kidlicious]

1) It is (most probably) not a representative sample.

It's not meant to be. You brought up the state and local prisoners, saying that they are 90% of the population. So you are suggesting that the federal prisoners are a sample of the total non-citizens population. Now you're telling me that sample is not representative. I don't know. But we know how many federal prisoners are non-citizens, and it is very many. How do you explain that if illegal aliens commit LESS crime?

It only contains fgederal prison and marshal prison inmates ... which may eb a group distinct from the state prison inmates.

You're making things up. They aren't any different.

2) Well, I am not familiar with the US procedure for deportation. So I am not sure whether someone who "has been ordered removed" (51% of alien inmates) is in federal prison because of this (i.e. the order of removal from US soil) or whether the order of removal is independent from his incarceration. Likewise I am not sure whether the inmates "under investigation" (38 % of federal prison inmates) are there because of violating immigration law or because of other crimes.

You just made up the BS claim that the population contains non-citizens suspected of only being in the US illegally.

3) Of course everything still doesn't change the fact that legal aliens only make up 1.2 % of the federal prison population

Don't care about legal aliens. I'm all for legal immigration.

[Proteus_MST]

...
You just made up the BS claim that the population contains non-citizens suspected of only being in the US illegally.

I made an assumption, not a claim ... big difference

Don't care about legal aliens. I'm all for legal immigration.

So, you are not in agreement with Trump, who wants to block refugees/immigration from several muslim countries?
After all, all people who underwent the vetting process (which includes people who come to the USA as refugees) are in the USA legally and therefore are part of that population group that is less criminal than native born US citizens.

[Kidlicious]

I made an assumption, not a claim ... big difference

There is actually no difference in this case.

So, you are not in agreement with Trump, who wants to block refugees/immigration from several muslim countries?
After all, all people who underwent the vetting process (which includes people who come to the USA as refugees) are in the USA legally and therefore are part of that population group that is less criminal than native born US citizens.

The purpose of the immigration system is to let people in that we want and keep the people we don't want out. The vetting process makes no difference if it isn't working. He should do whatever is necessary. My personal suggestion is to separate the Islamists from the good Muslims is to ask them if they believe in the existence of the State of Israel. Everyone who says no can't immigrate. So I'm actually for a tougher vetting process than Trump.

[Proteus_MST]

....

The purpose of the immigration system is to let people in that we want and keep the people we don't want out. The vetting process makes no difference if it isn't working. He should do whatever is necessary. My personal suggestion is to separate the Islamists from the good Muslims is to ask them if they believe in the existence of the State of Israel. Everyone who says no can't immigrate. So I'm actually for a tougher vetting process than Trump.

Who defines "we"?
I guess that the majority of US citizens is satisfied with keeping the criminal immigrants out and letting the non criminal immigrants in.
Something that the current vetting process obviously accmplishes well, considering the low percentage of criminals among the legal immigrants

[Kidlicious]

Who defines "we"?
I guess that the majority of US citizens is satisfied with keeping the criminal immigrants out and letting the non criminal immigrants in.
Something that the current vetting process obviously accmplishes well, considering the low percentage of criminals among the legal immigrants

Yes, legal immigrants are generally very good, especially those who come with particular skills.

members in the United States.

Each year the President, in consultation with Congress, determines the numerical ceiling for refugee admissions. The total limit is broken down into limits for each region of the world as well. After September 11, 2001, the number of refugees admitted into the United States fell drastically, but annual admissions have steadily increased as more sophisticated means of conducting security checks have been put into place.

For FY 2016, the President set the worldwide refugee ceiling at 85,000,

As you can see the number of refugees taken in is decided by the president and Congress. If there is a threat from any group they can act to keep the country safe.

[Kidlicious]

Burny tweeted that we could have used $1.5 trillion to pay for free college tuition.