Bible twice as violent as the Koran.

[Kidlicious]

Well, hopefully those people would not begin to read the bible with the old testament ... for example Deuteronomy 13:6-17, Deuternomy 17:2-7 or 2. Chronicles 15:13

You can begin with the Gospels. That's a must. The OT gives you a better understanding, but you have to read the Gospels.

[Ben Kenobi]

Like I said, it's the Jews. Everything is the fault of the Jews.

[Proteus_MST]

Like I said, it's the Jews. Everything is the fault of the Jews.

Well, the god of the jews also is the god of the christians and muslims

[Berzerker]

The New Testament describes violence against Christians, the Koran tells Muslims how to be violent

[Kidlicious]

Well, the god of the jews also is the god of the christians and muslims

That's most likely Mohammed's intention.

[Dry]

From the 13th century till the beginning of the 19th century a huge number of peple were burned in Pyres or executed by other means for falling away from doctrinal christianity. I am sure that can be interpreted as "70% of christians at this time supportung the killing of people for laving the religion"

You talk about 2 different things:
Falling away from doctrinal christianity = heresy = still calling yourself christian/catholic, but claiming the official doctrine is wrong about some point.
Leaving the religion = apostate = renouncing your religion, converting to other religion or becoming atheist.

And if I believe wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_..._1804_and_1813, it is more heretics than apostates that were burned.

While the old testament punishment for opostates is stoning, I don't know exactly what was middle age christianity punishment for it.
Post reform christians seem to practise more banishment from the community than really execution of apostates.
Seems to me that the church fears more false doctrine than rejection of the faith.

[kentonio]

The New Testament describes violence against Christians, the Koran tells Muslims how to be violent

I'm fairly sure people in the 7th century were already pretty good at being violent.

[Kidlicious]

I'm fairly sure people in the 7th century were already pretty good at being violent.

Historically not true. Try studying history before speaking.

[Proteus_MST]

You talk about 2 different things:
Falling away from doctrinal christianity = heresy = still calling yourself christian/catholic, but claiming the official doctrine is wrong about some point.
Leaving the religion = apostate = renouncing your religion, converting to other religion or becoming atheist.

And if I believe wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_..._1804_and_1813, it is more heretics than apostates that were burned.

While the old testament punishment for opostates is stoning, I don't know exactly what was middle age christianity punishment for it.
Post reform christians seem to practise more banishment from the community than really execution of apostates.
Seems to me that the church fears more false doctrine than rejection of the faith.

They both were classified as Blasphemy ... and Apostay was considered to be a graver blasphemy than heresy ... see here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy#Christianity

Therefore I would assume that both would be punishable by death

See also:

...
Like a long line of influential theologians before him, stretching back to St Augustine, he advocated the death penalty for offenders , and this was the prevailing view of Protestant as well as Catholic scholars. The consensus was that there was no choice in the matter because God had been explicit:

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death. (Leviticus 24:16).
...

....
Since anyone who disagreed with the Church was necessarily guilty of blasphemy, and therefor liable to the death penalty, there were few people who would voluntarily come forward to declare themselves. ...

In thirteenth century England a young deacon fell in love with a Jewess and converted to Judaism. For this he was degraded and excommunicated by a Church Council at Oxford in 1222, then burned alive . In 1267 Pope Clement IV ordered the Inquisition to proceed against Christians who converted to Judaism. Three years later two converts were killed at Weissenberg in Alsace (one of them a prior in a Mendicant Order).. Presumably the danger continued, for the Papal bull authorising the Inquisition to investigate such cases was reissued in 1274, 1288 and 1290. ...

http://www.heretication.info/_atheists.html

[kentonio]

Historically not true. Try studying history before speaking.

Are you sure you'd like to start a battle of historical knowledge with me? Are you absolutely sure that's what you'd like to do?

[Ming]

He will probably try, and suck at it since his version of history is not even close to reality.

[Kidlicious]

Are you sure you'd like to start a battle of historical knowledge with me? Are you absolutely sure that's what you'd like to do?

You already lost.

[kentonio]

You already lost.

When you tried to claim the 7th century wasn't violent outside of the rise of Islam? Are you actually ****ing retarded?

[Kidlicious]

When you tried to claim the 7th century wasn't violent outside of the rise of Islam? Are you actually ****ing retarded?

I'm not going to play games with you. Islam started out with an extreme amount of violence. You're the one who is retarded.

[Berzerker]

I'm fairly sure people in the 7th century were already pretty good at being violent.

Yes... and the Koran told people how (and why) to be violent. That just isn't comparable to the violence in the NT, Jesus and his followers were the victims of violence, not the perpetrators. Jesus didn't walk around telling people to behead each other in his name. The OT and Koran are both violent and have violent gods, but they differ in one respect - Judaism is exclusive and Islam is expansionist. The former doesn't care if other people are 'sinners' and not Jewish, the latter requires submission.