KKK announces victory parade in North Carolina

[rah]

This is the OT, were many have a short attention span and the topics sometimes get mixed up. I don't think that necessarily qualifies someone as a racist.

[DaShi]

Bringing up the question of whether BLM should even have the right to free speech qualifies as pretty racist.

[rah]

I thought he just said that

All I said was BLM protests all Black Lives Matter no matter why they die its wrong.

Saying that some police black killings are justified isn't necessarily racist. It can become that but I don't think it did here.

I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt lacking other blatant comments. If you've seen others, feel free to quote them for us to take into consideration.

I just don't remember many, but I'm old and forget a lot of things.

[DaShi]

That quote isn't the problem. It's the one before that.

I believe everyone should have freedom of speech including the following:

Pedophiles
Serial Rapists
Furries
People who don't use turn signals
Children with cancer
The KKK

Are you really so lost in your whitewashed world that you can't see the problem there?

[rah]

I do believe they should have it also. Most people in the US do. That isn't the line that makes them racists. (It also doesn't mean they're not.)
They also have the right to pay consequences for their free speech. Like Nazis getting fired from their jobs. Or counter prostests.
You'll have to show me more evidence then just supporting free speech before I'll call someone a racists.
(usually it will be evident in their speech)

obviously you feel differently, and you're entitled to voice it.

[DaShi]

This is problem. You racism to be blatant in order for it be racism. You miss all the systematic and subtle racism that POC have to deal with everyday. For example, what if you had to justify yourself everyday because every, no matter how big or small, action you do is open to question because of the color of your skin?

GT's racism is laid bare in that he even brings up the question of whether BLM has the right to protest or not. That he is on the side of yes doesn't mean he still isn't racist. Because it shouldn't have been brought up at all. Just like all the examples I provided that flew over your head for some reason.

[PLATO]

Gramps is not racist. You are seeing something that is not there. I believe that you are the problem. Your attack on Christians in trying to falsely pin Gramps as a racist expresses volumes on your true beliefs. Sad Dashi.

I have known Gramps on the internet for a decade and few people I have met are better persons.

[rah]

GT's racism is laid bare in that he even brings up the question of whether BLM has the right to protest or not.

That's not what he said. He said

All I said was BLM protests all Black Lives Matter no matter why they die its wrong.

You need to document a larger body of work before anyone will agree with you that he's racist.

What you believe is your own right.

[Ming]

You racism to be blatant in order for it be racism.

Gee... everybody else sees it as a discussion on freedom of speech with NOBODY saying they support the KKK... but you have posted.

I don't expect you or serial rapists to understand the point I am making.

I guess just like pedophiles, christians have the right to whinge about how unfair they think the world is to them.

Grandpa Troll is an unashamed racist. Who knew? Oh right, everybody

It sounds like you are the one being the insulting bigot... Not anybody else in this thread.

[giblets]

Everyone should be allowed to express their opinion, whether they are the KKK, neo-Nazis or Trump supporters.

[giblets]

This is problem. You racism to be blatant in order for it be racism. You miss all the systematic and subtle racism that POC have to deal with everyday. For example, what if you had to justify yourself everyday because every, no matter how big or small, action you do is open to question because of the color of your skin?

Such a paradox. Racism is pervasive in American society, yet nothing white people say or do is racist.

[ZEE]

poor DaShi.

So full of hate...

[Dauphin]

Gee... everybody else sees it as a discussion on freedom of speech with NOBODY saying they support the KKK... but you have posted.



It sounds like you are the one being the insulting bigot... Not anybody else in this thread.

I think you and rah are missing the point, certainly based on the quote above. To make it clear, it's not the issue of free speech that DaShi is latching on to, it is that it is inappropriate to put the KKK and BLM in the same group of things, as if they are some kind of parallel consideration (the post was in the context of allowing groups to spew hate). Gramps post is not racist in my view, but it does shows a mode of thinking that goes KKK white supremacy is equatable to BLM, even if it's not explicitly stated or conscious. It's understandable why it my be insulting to some even if not intended.

[rah]

no I didn't miss that point. I ignored it since it wasn't made by gramps or us.

And as you even stated you thought gramp's post wasn't racist.

If one group says something wrong and enough group says something wrong, it doesn't mean both groups share anything. They're just both saying something wrong.

[Ming]

I think you and rah are missing the point, certainly based on the quote above. To make it clear, it's not the issue of free speech that DaShi is latching on to, it is that it is inappropriate to put the KKK and BLM in the same group of things, as if they are some kind of parallel consideration (the post was in the context of allowing groups to spew hate). Gramps post is not racist in my view, but it does shows a mode of thinking that goes KKK white supremacy is equatable to BLM, even if it's not explicitly stated or conscious. It's understandable why it my be insulting to some even if not intended.

Gee... anything anybody says could probably be considered insulting by somebody. DaShi attempts to prove his point by doing the same thing with "pedophiles, christians" and "you or serial rapists"... but instead of just trying to make his point, he's going for the direct insults by making it personal and finishing up with the racist accusation.

To me, he seems to be more insulting here then his simple perception of what GT said. One could argue that they were "insulted" by throwing the two sides in the same comparison, but that's simple opinion, which I guess is not shared by all. But to claim all who don't agree to his position must be racists is simply over the edge.

I've seen many people make the freedom of speech argument using a good group and bad group to make their point... I don't automatically assume that the person making the argument supports the bad group.